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    04-11-2012, 12:20 AM
Called the vet told him everything, he said we will get her in tomorrow for a flush to check, and if things are going wrong she will get antibiotics.

Lol franknbeans that made me chuckle.

But she is getting in tomorrow and when I explained to him what it looked like he said that it may be just her normal discharge still, but we will check anyways.
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    04-11-2012, 12:22 AM
Ok first why do you think she retained her placenta? Second do you have any penicillin, if so give her 1 cc per 100 lbs in the neck or thigh. Make sure you pull the plunger out some to make sure there is no blood coming into the syringe if there is move the needle if you get penicillin in the vein she will die. I use 18 gauge needles 1 1/2 inches long. Horses do have discharge after foaling.
    04-11-2012, 12:22 AM
Delfina out of that list, there is only 1 equine vet in my area. I called him already. He is the only vet in the area that people here trust.
    04-11-2012, 12:24 AM
Cmarie I am just worried because her discharge was barely noticeable and all of a sudden it is gooey and red/orange and has an odd smell to it. I work at a hospital so I know the nasty infection smell, it isn't that bad, but it is slightly there which is why I am worried. The vet said that it is probably just her discharge, but he is getting her in to check anyways.

Edit: I will check for penicillin. That is the first thing I thought of and said to people when I saw it. I will check for a needle and syringe, because we almost always have penicillin on hand, but needles and syringes I do not know about our stock at the stable. An 18g is big enough for a horse?! haha ok I will check!
    04-11-2012, 12:32 AM
Yes 18 is big enough for horses you can only give 10 cc's in one injection site though. You can use bigger I just like 18 my personal preference. I like to give shots in the neck, I slap them 3 times then shoot them.
    04-11-2012, 01:21 AM
I'm always scared I'm going to hit something in the neck so I usually shoot for the hind end. We don't have any needles there that are stable owned, only needles that are labeled. I will have to update my emergency meds kit by adding needles and syringes of all shapes and sizes.

Since the vet said it is probably just more discharge I am not as worried and freaking out as I was. I won't give her the oxytocin tomorrow morning, since he said to just wait til I get her in there in the afternoon. She was fine when I drove down to check out the needles, syringe, and penicillin situation. She wanted more food actually...typical isn't it? I checked her temp again and it was normal, so no worries there. I checked her vulva region and wiped it off with a clean, warm water paper towel. It was the good paper towels that are like washcloth usefulness so no worries about little flakes of paper around her hoo-ha. I gave her some hay to nibble at and let her and her baby be for the night. I'll be out there in less then 8 hours to feed tomorrow morning. I need sleep now, morning is going to hit in 5 and a half hours and tomorrow is not going to be a short day...

Thank you cmarie for help. I don't know what normal discharge is supposed to look for all I know it could be normal, and she could just still be sore. Why is this birthing thing so dang complicated? Is it really that difficult for a seller to say "oh hey I'm pretty sure she is pregnant so you should monitor her or I will have her checked to get a positive answer or not." This whole baby debacle is ridiculous.
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    04-11-2012, 01:33 AM
I would not be giving shots to the mare without checking with the vet, even antibiotics can have effects on the foal through the blood stream. Diagnosing over the internet and suggesting penicillan for a nursing mare is probably not the best idea, especially if the vet did not suggest antibiotics until he looks at her. You do not want to give antibiotics that will pass into the milk if at all possible, remember, everything that you give the mare goes to the baby.
As far as the oxytocin, it will make the uterus contract, however, if it is closed, then the uterus will rupture from the oxyitocin.... Plus, if the contractions get bad, the mare might roll and do damage to herself or her foal
    04-11-2012, 01:58 AM
Originally Posted by cowgirl928    
K so my mare just had her baby on Friday. I wasn't there for the birth. Well, I was checking both mama and baby and I am 98% sure mama has an infection because she didn't expel all of her placenta.

Using the oxytocin is my first option, and if it doesn't work I will take her to the vet. But I don't know much about it, or the whole birth thing in general. I work at a hospital, so I know what an infection looks and smells like."
Hello...I appreciate how stressful and difficult the situation you are in is...I know literally next to nothing regarding equine maternity care. But, working as an RN in labor & delivery for humans x 6+ of my 15 year career, I know a LOT about that subject and some info MAY (?) be similar...

For example, if there IS even a tiny retained placental fragment, that is an immediate life threatening emergency for human women. However, the absolute hallmark of such is a lot of bleeding. The fragment essentially prevents the uterus from properly "clamping down", or contracting, upon itself. This is human physiology of course, however, I believe IF THERE WERE RETAINED PLACENTA, the mare would probably have bled quite a lot...(anyone?).

My gut feeling/possible guess? A beginning infection related to a non-placental retention issue. Of course no LESS THREATNING TO HER LIFE, but genuinely not an Oxytocin-type treatable situation, since ALL that Oxy does is cause intense contraction of the uterus = expulsion of a foal or separation & then expulsion of an intact placenta in stage 4 of labor. Oxy is not used to expel placental FRAGMENTS in humans, as the ONLY WAY TO REMOVE THEM is a curtage (scraping), after a VERY CAREFUL INITIAL PALPATION of the inner uterine wall, BY THE MD, to find the fragment, to then release the errant piece of placenta.

Infection post-partum is extremely common in humans and is life threatning. From your description, infection seems highly likely in your mare, and God willing, she is not yet so infected as to have caused her to become febrile, so hopefully the vet can discern what exactly is going on in the morning and treat her.

She is not cold, temp wise, correct? Too low a temp CAN BE at times much more dangerous and thus worse than a fever, as it can point to shock. Thus, is her temp NORMAL?

Is she eating and drinking and moving about normally? What is her interest level in caring for her foal at this time, as all are good indicators of where she now is, health-wise.

Though obviously I know I likely did nothing to help you out with the ACTUAL situation, I DO REALLY HOPE I "may" have been able to offer SOME piece of mind, or things to think on while waiting to see the vet tomorrow?

I wish you the absolute most luck possible, and will pray for your mare and foal and for you tonight. Take care of yourself so you can be there for mom and baby...
    04-11-2012, 02:02 AM
Green Broke
I have no advice but I hope your mare will be ok and wish you good luck with her!!
    04-11-2012, 02:27 AM
Well WG penicillin is safer for the foal than many of the sulfa based antibiotics out there, yes it does pass through the milk, as do many other antibiotics that are more harmful to the foal, such as tetracycline base drugs which can cause problems with the teeth and tendons. No matter what antibiotic is given the mare and foal should be given probiotics after the meds are completed to replenish the flora in the gut. The foal was born a few days ago and in all likelihood it is just postpartum discharge. I give my mares penicillin for 3 days if they had a rough delivery or rip a little, with no ill effects to the foal. I have found no studies that say that it does cause harm to nursing foals or pregnant mares.
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