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post #81 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cmarie View Post
I don't have an epi pen I have a vile of it, yes I have training above the average person.

And by the way who peed in your cheerios this morning.
Oh, so having a vial of epi-that makes it all better. Sure hope you guess the right dosage.

BTW-noone "peed in my Cheerios". I just think that ANYONE giving medical advice over the internet to people they do not know about animals or other living things they have not seen or do not know is a VERY slippery slope. Some who may not know better might just take your word as gospel and the consequences could be fatal.

I guess as a nurse in our litigious society I am very hesitant to advise anyone, including friends and neighbors. It is very very easy to get yourself in really deep doo doo in a hurry.
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post #82 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 07:00 AM
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Glad your horse is doing well. I suspected a simple case of new mamma panic after looking at the pictures. It happens to us all at one time or another. I have seen many threads on here where panic and newness to horses has made issues much more serious then they actually where and it is to be expected when you are a first timer at something like foaling. It is better to be extra careful and worried then to not be worried at all!
Best of Luck and please do keep me posted as to how they are both doing? Have you picked a name for that little troublemaker baby that started all these problems? :)
Best of Luck and feel free to PM me any time.
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her name is Sugar because of her attitude. I'm a huge Marilyn Monroe fan and people kept telling me to name her Marilyn because of her diva-ness. I thought it was a kind of dumb name for a horse so I named her Sugar because that is a Marilyn character name in one of her movies. There are photos of her on the foaling thread and in the foals of 2012 thread. She really isn't a trouble maker, she is just very independent and enjoys running out of the gate when I take hay in to feed her mommy. Mama then proceeds to eat and gives me the "you go get her I'm eating" look. Oh well, she is adorable!

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post #84 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 08:30 AM
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CMarie:the difference about an allergic reaction when a "lay" person diagnosis and suggests what and how much to give over the internet and a vet giving a diagnosis and amount to give is the "lay" person would probably not have a chance in the world of saving an animal having a reaction but a vet will have a better chance.
By the way, we give a dosage of about 35CC for a 1000 lb horse of Penicillan, but much less if we are giving PenBenz.......So, when you suggested 1cc per 100lbs, what if the person had PenBenz insted of Penicillan?Does the average "new"horse person even know the difference?What about Amoxicillan? thats another penicillan ,yet with a different dosage.Then you give regular Penicillan twice a day, and Uniprim once a day.
I live where the closest total horse hospital is in colorado or Washington.My vets do large and small, do surgeries in the field,etc. My town doesn't even have a stoplight and the closest Walmart is 2 hours away.
I have all kinds of medications in my frig and animal cupboard, yet would never suggest others what to give and how much.. I have folks ask me to "treat' their animals all the time and refuse to do it,its against the law to treat another persons animals.
I have worked for vets for over 30 years, YET I do not get on the internet and give a diagnosis or suggest what meds to give and how much ,so where you live has nothing to do with being able to pretend to be a vet and self medicate, if you want to self medicate your own animals,go for it,but please don't get on the internet and diagnosis and suggest treatment for others.
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post #85 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 09:12 AM
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Good post Wyoming. Well said.

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So glad your mare is okay and that this was a false alarm. Hope you enjoy your foal. I am off to look at cute foal photos.

I wanted to comment on some of the other issues raised in this thread.

Diagnosing, treating or prescibing over the internet and without a veterinarian's license is ALWAYS a bad idea. Suggesting or prescibing antibiotics is particularly problematic for two reasons: 1.) if you get the dosage or the course of treatment wrong and undermedicate, you set the horse up for a secondary infection, which will be dangerous and costly to treat. Most self prescribed or administered antibiotics are not given long enough or for the full course to eliminate that chance. Penicillin usually needs to be given 2x/day for *10 days* 2.) Antiobiotics have a specific range of bacteria that they are effective against. Sometimes you can make an educated guess and prescribe a broad spectrum antibiotic like Penicillin or SMZ-TMP, other times it's critical that you culture the infectioin to determine the correct antibiotic. If you chose the wrong antibiotic for the type of infection, not only will it not treat the infection, it will make it impossible for you to culture and determine the correct treatment afterwards.

Second, there is nothing wrong with posting questions on an internet message board to get opinions. We've all done it, that's why we're here, right? It is important to remember that what we get from a message board is *opinion* not fact. Using a internet message board as a tool for discussion or clarification after one has a base of knowledge and can evaluate the advice given is great. Using an internet message board as a primary source, when you have no knowledge base and can't tell the informed opinion from the uninformed opinion, good information from bad, is very bad practice indeed and can only lead to frustration.

Off to look at baby photos!

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post #87 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cmarie View Post
So the Veterinarian Merek Manual is incorrect, as is the dosage on the label of the bottle..that's good to know.
What is the concentration mentioned in the manual? What is the type of pencillin? What class of livestock is it for?

A blanket statement such as you gave can harm or kill in the wrong hands.
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FYI OP - Missouri Valley Vet. Clinic / Welcome <<< are in your area, have 24-hr emergency services. I suggest you keep their number handy... And they are not the only equine vets in your area. In fact, you have more vets to access then I do, and some of my friends do... and none of us have the wait and see attitude...
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I think we can all agree that it is always best to be prescribed meds via a vet. I think it is important that we all remember that new horse owners should not ever attempt to medicate a horse without consulting a vet first. Most vets wont even consider telling a new customer what to give a horse without a call to their farm and a diagnosis. There are many reasons for that and some here have stated that very well indeed.
That being said my fear in allowing a new owner to give shots is more related to site infection, air in the needle, insufficient dosage,, adverse reactions such as alergy to the medication. They are all things we must be mindful of should advice be given as such.
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post #90 of 97 Old 04-12-2012, 09:54 AM
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ND Appy..not to sound can suggest whatever you wish with the OP but she can and will decide who she wishes to use for a vet without any of our help. I dont recall her asking anywhere on this thread for a clinic she should call. On the contrary she said she has a vet, whom she called (maybe not as fast as you would have) and discussed her horses condition with.
It has all turned out quite well so I think it is time to stop flailing the subject and move on, as I am going to do. Everyone makes mistakes. She panicked and overstated her concern. It happens and we should all understand that.
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