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post #1 of 9 Old 04-29-2013, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
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Mare with perineal tear ... riding issues?

Anyone had any experience with this sort of problem?

I have here a young mare who sustained a grade three perineal tear (that is anal involvement) while foaling.

She's a young mustang, was pregnant when mustered, tame but not been backed yet.

I'm not interested in breeding her. However, she farts and carries on a bit, and the vet said that sometimes the noise upsets and startles them so much that as soon as you saddle and ride them they buck.??

There is an operation to fix this, but its about $4000 and that may not even stop the noise.

I can't afford the bill, the vet doesn't want to do the op either, he says she's not worth it. He also says that she shouldn't be left as a paddock ornament as its unhealthy for her, she realistically needs work.

This fits just fine as we really don't have the grazing for a paddock ornament, if she can't be ridden we can't keep her, but she's our darling and we don't want to lose her.

We've spoken to several people who have had horses with this problem and had no problems riding them, and no-one can make head or tail of why the noise would be a problem ... she makes it in the paddock all the time and doesn't care!

So we figured to slowly and gently train her up, get her used to saddles etc in a safe area and carefully sound her out to see if she'll be ok before riding her out anywhere.

If she shows any issues or distress we obviously won't continue, and we only ever ride at a gentle walk around the local bush tracks anyway, nothing strenuous.

But as soon as she heard our intentions our neighbour hit the roof! She like started ranting on and on and on ... she says its a welfare issue, breaches every code of ethics, turns her stomach, she even physically threatened us! (What the!!???)

She is obsessive compulsive in this sort of way but this is something extreme! Also she doesn't believe that we can't afford the op, she has a disposable income and doesn't understand that at all.

Under concern that she might have some real reason we didn't know about, we asked her what harm she thought we could do ... her response was simply "do what you want you've lost my respect already".

Does anyone here have any idea whether there is any real harm (physical, mental, or emotional etc) that we could do to Chevy with gentle riding?

We would rather give it a go, as we see it as a better option for Chevy than the pet food factory, and we at least need to know whether she could be OK ... we can't just write her off without giving her a chance!
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post #2 of 9 Old 04-29-2013, 07:58 PM
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Without the repair, I would be worried about a uterine or bladder infection from feces making their way into the vagina through the tear. That risk would be present no matter what until the repair was completed and healed though, so I can't see what difference riding her (or not) would make. And if she's not having that issue as she currently is, there is certainly no reason to think riding would ever make it more likely.

Sorry, I can't see what your neighbor was going on about. Is she normally that nutty? Ideally, yes, you would get it fixed. But riding her isn't going to change it or make it worse at all, so if she's doing well, she's doing well...
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Without the repair, I would be worried about a uterine or bladder infection from feces making their way into the vagina through the tear. That risk would be present no matter what until the repair was completed and healed though, so I can't see what difference riding her (or not) would make. And if she's not having that issue as she currently is, there is certainly no reason to think riding would ever make it more likely.

Sorry, I can't see what your neighbor was going on about. Is she normally that nutty? Ideally, yes, you would get it fixed. But riding her isn't going to change it or make it worse at all, so if she's doing well, she's doing well...
Ditto what Sharpie says. And your neighbor reminds me of someone I know. She thinks I'm CRUEL because I turn my horses out to pasture all day and sometimes don't even bring them in at night. She will go on and on and on about it and when asked what else she would suggest, makes statements like your neighbor. "Go ahead and do what you want, you have no respect for those horses and you've lost all my respect.". I take it to mean she can't actually come up with a better suggestion. I also finally got enough of her and told her I'd live just fine without her regard and didn't need it. I'd suggest you tell your neighbor something similar.

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I've ridden a mare in with a similar injury... it did nothing but make funny farting noises when she trotted. Since I have a childish sense of humor it didn't bother me a bit, and it certainly didn't bother her to be ridden.

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I knew one with a tear also that was very sever. She had constant drainage and her back legs were.always scalded from fecal matter.gettin in her vagina causing low grade infections. They could not fix her fully due to the extent of the tear but the new owner finally had a surgury done to improve it and she no longer has scalded legs althouth she still makes noise. It was nowhere near 4k. It cost a few hundred bucks to improve a great deal. Id personally shop around for another vet. That one sounds way overpriced. Even a good cattle vet could do that surgury. Common issue.
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Your vet only does surgery on horses he deems as valuable? Get a second opinion & a new vet.
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Ha ha. This is why I prefer animals over people any day. There are so many mentally unbalanced people out there. I once knew of someone who neglected and abused her animals, and had them seized several times. Of course, in her sick mind, it was never her fault, but the fault of the SPCA. I personally knew of a paint stallion she bought for a large amount of money, then took home and starved him to death. I think your neighbor has some mental issues, and probably way too much time on her hands. I would just do what I wanted, and pooh on her!!!
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Ok thanks for all that! Now I know its not just me anyway ... I'll continue and just carefully gently bring her into training and see how we go.

The neighbor is sort of interesting as it turns out ... she's normally fine, good with horses, sometimes gets a bee in her bonnet and won't let it go, but this reaction is a new extreme.

The vet would do the op if I asked him to, he's not refusing or anything, but its pretty clear he'd rather not put his time into her ... his words were "I'm not suggesting the op for That Horse". And went on to talk about this $10,000 thoroughbred broodmare he'd just done it for. Pretty clear picture of his opinion there. He does most of his work with racing thoroughbreds.

We're trying around for other vets opinions but there's not many in the area that will go there ... they're mostly cattle vets, this one is like The Horse Specialist For The Entire Area and has the ego to match.

She's not as bad an injury as some I've heard described either, ok physically its a deep tear, I'm thinking it has healed up some now but when it first happened it was within half an inch of the abdomen, but all her waste disposal works as normal pretty much, pops out when she wants, all clean and good, and she's really healthy.

Good Mum too, the little boy was a bit rough once, within a couple of days he was biting like a pro but he soon figured out that when he bit anyone Chev would bite him back ... pretty hard too ... he's good as gold now ... !
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Your vet is a jerk. Plain and simple. Find a new vet, even if it means traveling and get another opinion. As stated above, cattle vets do this repair practically daily during calving season. Yes, horses are different than cattle, tend to react differently to surgeries, but sounds as if the 1st vet is so high on his 'race horse'reputation and the amount of money that alot of race horse owners can afford to and do pay, that other horses are not good enough for him to work on.
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