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    09-02-2012, 05:08 PM
  #11
Weanling
I just recently found out my 16 yr old horse has melanomas. My vet told me they are common in grey horses, and that there really isn't much you can do about them. As long as they don't internalize, a horse could live for years with them. At least that is how it was explained to me.
     
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    09-02-2012, 08:07 PM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by 6W Ranch    
I agree, a horse that age is not going to be around forever. If it were mine, I'd spend the $50 and watch the mass shrink. It could go away, it could just slow down. The other option is spending a fortune trying to conventionally resolve it. Or, risk spreading it with a biopsy. Most people have not even heard of clean horse, or blood root salve, let alone seen the results. I've seen a few cases first hand, and also heard amazing stories. For a horse that age, this the gentlest, yet most powerful method of management, in my opinion. I'm sure there are many who've never heard of this form of removal, nor seen the results I've seen, but will still dismiss it as a viable option.
You sound like me. I have managed barns for 40-50+ horses and the vet was almost never called except for coggins and rabies.

I'm not a vet person and will heal just about anything I can by myself. I've stapled horses back together and have grown legs back from bone.

However, I want to caution you about advising people against vets on this forum. Its a bit of a dangerous practice when someone posts a medical picture and you reply "Don't call a vet unless you want to waste money, do this instead".

Some things are easily fixed with home remedies and a confident, knowledgable horseman. People post pictures of injuries and illnesses and ask question because they are NOT knowledgable on the subject and need opinions on what they are dealing with, and if its serious enough for a vet visit.

To this, I usually give suggestions...and at the end, remind them that if they are unsure, it is always good to have a vet out for a professional opinion and one on one guidance. The last thing you want on your conscience is someone taking your advice on not calling a vet, treating the issue with the suggestion, doing it wrong (because they are unknowledable) or treating it wrong (since it was diagnosed just off of an internet picture), and making things worse.

I know you are eager to help and that's good. However, never recommend NOT calling a vet if the OP is concerned. You can share your experiences and you might not need a vet, but a lot of the people on this forum do.
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    09-02-2012, 10:12 PM
  #13
Foal
I understand what you're saying, and agree with you for the most part. While I'll likely (and did) say don't call a vet, or get antibiotics for a scrape, I see that something easily fixed can go downhill very quickly with a wrong move, or in the wrong hands. Also, I need to keep in mind the experience level varies greatly. When we use a vet, we don't turn to the backyard type, we make sure and go to the best ones in our area depending on the severity. We'll travel several hours depending on the need. We have a vet in Elgin, TX, another in Weatherford, tX, and then our reg. Vet in our area. So I certainly don't discourage anyone from using a vet.

I know from experience, tumors/melanomas, etc. pop up on these older horses, and once you start poking and sniping, these cancers DO spread. So, like I said, it's just my OPINION, based on what I've seen first hand, that TRYING the Clean Horse would be worth a try. We wouldn't put an old horse thru a whole lot of what it takes to get rid of these growths. We think more of our horses than that. We just put our 30 year old stud down recently, as that was the kindest thing to do for him with the way he was getting around.

As far as what you're saying, I realize many people aren't around their horses constantly, or don't have the experience to know what to do. My husband is a 5th generation rancher/horseman, he's had experience on the track managing his dad's racehorses. I have owned horses for 30+ yrs. My background with horses includes showing jumpers, to penning wild cattle in the brushy country, to starting colts. So between myself and my husband, we seen a lot. Occasionally, we're asked to turn around slow-healing wounds on horses that have spent a month or more at a vets. So, if I believe there's a fix one can remedy oneself, than I'll share what I know or have experience with. But I do see what you're saying, as the person reading may not know how to apply the advise. You're right, it's risky trying to help.
     
    09-03-2012, 01:15 AM
  #14
Trained
If you had a tumor that might be malignant growing on your anus, would you see a doctor? Or maybe you would just put preparation H on it?
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    09-03-2012, 01:55 AM
  #15
Foal
Celeste, there is no need for your sarcasm. Of course I would go to the dr. However, I'm not a 27 yr old mare. What are the options for a 27 mare? Chemo? Surgery? Obviously, you're not familiar with the type of growth removal I mentioned, or you'd understand it's the least invasive way to get rid of the growth. Or, maybe you missed another post above "My vet told me they are common in grey horses, and that there really isn't much you can do about them. As long as they don't internalize, a horse could live for years with them. At least that is how it was explained to me".

There's not a whole lot of options for an old gray mare with melanoma, especially in that location, which is why I suggested a method of removal that's gradual, and only removes cancerous tissue. I don't know why you have a problem with me suggesting something I've seen/heard works.
     
    09-03-2012, 06:58 AM
  #16
Foal
Oh, she is def worth the money and we are in the process of finding an equine vet near us. All we really have found so far are general vets and that dosn't seem to be helping. I will check out clean horse thanks for suggesting. I was kinda just posting to see if anyone else thought this was a melanoma or I guess if anyone had seen anything like it. I havent found much about treatment of melanoma in horses do yall know how they treat it, If that is what this is?
     
    09-03-2012, 08:47 AM
  #17
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I've had many gray horses for more than 50 years. I have 20 gray horses right now.

Melanomas are very common, especially in horses over 20. The underside of their tails and around their rectum are the MOST COMMON places for them. [See if she also has bumps on the smooth, hairless underside of her tail.]

If I run into them in a horse under 15, I have a Vet freeze them off with a cryogenics setup. If the horse is over 15, I just leave them alone. They are a natural part of owning gray horses.

I have heard of them metastasizing, but I have never had one that did. I have owned older gray mares (including one of the last living daughters of Gray Badger II -- and she was a World Champion producer) that had melanomas around their rectum that were the size of a grapefruit.

I cannot believe a Vet was uniformed enough to think she had an abscess. And no, antibiotics are not going to be helpful and medicated topicals are only going to irritate it and keep it sore. If I put anything on it, it would be a soothing salve like Corona or Gall Salve.

Just enjoy her. The chances are very good that she will die from something completely unrelated.
     
    09-04-2012, 03:58 PM
  #18
Yearling
This Cleanhorse stuff sounds like the same thing as another product being sold called Xterra. Someone I know used it and while there was a bit of alleviation to the sarcoid, she was going through several jars (at $55 each) a month. In the long run, she should have saved her money and done the easier thing (for both her and her horse) and had it removed sergically. Less pain and strife for everyone. I am personally of the opinion that the OP's horse has a sarcoid, not a melanoma. This will need to be removed by sergery or "burning" it off. My mare had two sarcoids at one point in life and I watch every little cut or scrape like a hawk even though hers have been dormant for years. Look into sarcoids and talk to your vet about it.
     
    09-04-2012, 04:18 PM
  #19
Foal
Cherie,
Thanks for your advice and she dosn't have the typical lumps on the underside of her tail, like most, I guess that is why I was second guessing. But yes we have definatley been through the mill with our local vets, kinda why I was thinking of finding an equine vet. I think we are kind of at the point where we are just want her to be comfortable, in my mind I am 90% certain that this is a melanoma. Thanks for your insight this is the first gray I have owned.
     
    09-04-2012, 04:29 PM
  #20
Yearling
The description you gave sounds more like a sarcoid IMO. At least explore the option with your vet. A picture of a sarcoid: http://images.suite101.com/2265281_com_patricksfa.jpg
     

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