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        10-08-2013, 08:11 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Oh dear, I'm sorry :( what is he, 16-17?
         
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        10-08-2013, 08:19 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
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    Elwood has a terrible laceration in his mouth, through the bar on the left side and a large open wound on the bottom of his mouth. I feel terrible about it as it was my fault.

    I had a box of corn and went down the aisle peeling back the husks far enough to break off the ear and giving the horses one each. I work off board by doing the evening feed, water, and turn-out. The box then had a bunch of husks, some with the sharp stems pointing up.

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    Later that evening I left him within reach of the box and he went for them, one of the stems made this horrible cut. I got a picture of the outside, but could see it went all the way into the floor of his mouth too.

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    There was not hardly any bleeding, just slight pink slobber the next day. I kept it rinsed with a shower setting on a hose nozzle, and it didn't seem to be causing pain, affect his appetite, or become infected. I thought it was improving, but a week or so later there was pink slobber again. He does have a bad case of the slobbers from clover this year. Then for a couple of weeks seemed better, and I thought healing was going well. Then again blood and a lot more of it this time.

    So the Vet came and tranquilized him

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    To get the speculum (sp) on and a good look at it. The bleeding is from the wound on the floor of his mouth, which is still open and is granulating.

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    He is to have no hard food for 2 - 4 weeks, and I am to email the Vet a picture in 2 weeks. All grain and hay is to be soaked in water. Outside grass is ok as it is soft enough. So hay has been poking it open, I should have thought to soak it all along.

    So my question is about soaking hay, she said just to put some in a muck bucket, cover it with water, and give it to him. He doesn't like it. How long should I leave it? Should I throw what is left out every morning and evening? Should I go at noon and change it? Should I start soaking hay in the evening and feed it the next morning? Should I get a bag of hay cubes instead of using flakes off a bale?

    Thanks for any replies, I've always heard to be careful not to leave stray hay in water buckets because germs grow fast, now I'm told to soak it.

    One last pic of doped up Elwood hanging his head over his stall gate to hold himself up.

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    I would use hay cubes from farm store. They are ground up and will be more like mush or hydration hat from Nutrina.
         
        10-08-2013, 08:19 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Oh no I am so sorry! So it wasn't the corn stalks? How is he doing with the soaked pellets?
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        10-08-2013, 10:45 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    He is 19. Maybe the corn stalk cut it so easily because it was soft?? Maybe it wasn't the corn, maybe it was (cross my fingers) and will get better.

    I called around to feed stores, and found one who had old stock of the hydration hay that churumbeque mentioned. He said he could make me a good deal if I took the rest of it. I went there and bought one bag of pellets, and he gave me one bale of it to try out.

    It was very bleached on the ends, but nice and green when I got down into it. It is compressed bricks representing 1 flake each (about 6-7" sq x 4" deep), 12 bricks are shrink wrapped together making a 'bale'.

    I sort of crumble 1/2 or 1 brick into a bucket and cover with water, 5 min later add a little more water, and 5 min after that it is ready. He has been getting about 16 hours of turn-out, so that one bag and bale has lasted over 2-weeks but is pretty low now. I will be getting more of it, hope the guy doesn't have too much of it so I can get "the deal on the rest of it".

    The barn has stopped night turn-out for the season as of yesterday, so he will just get his RB and turned out in the morning, then need a bit more of the soaked stuff to last stalled overnight.
         
        10-09-2013, 08:13 PM
      #15
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    Hopefully the new meds will make a difference and here's hoping it's some kind of wonky proudflesh and not a tumor.
         
        10-10-2013, 09:03 AM
      #16
    Yearling
    Yes, hoping.
    Thanks
         
        10-27-2013, 02:46 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Bad News

    The Vet came Friday. It is a rapidly growing tumor.

    I am advised to make arrangements, enjoy him, make him comfortable, let him eat whatever he wants.

    And make an appointment for her to come to put him down, then whether he is having a good day or a bad day at the time to go ahead with the plan.

    Elwood has been on soft food, soaked hay pellets, cubes, and hydration hay for 5-weeks or so. And grass as much as possible. I will continue that.

    So the question is - sooner or later ??
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        10-27-2013, 02:52 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. I am praying for you and your poor poor horse.
    Stay strong X.
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        10-27-2013, 02:53 PM
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    Oh I am so sorry aandakev. I haven't posted until now I've been following your thread and hoping that it was anything but a tumor :/

    Does he seem like he's hurting terribly now? Is he on pain medications for it? Is he losing condition? If not, my first thought would be to just let him enjoy life for a while. As soon as he acts like he's hurting from the tumor at all though, or if he refuses any feed, go ahead and put him down before he starts to suffer.
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        10-27-2013, 02:57 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Sooner or later

    Turnout is very important to Elwood. Yesterday I got a call from the BO, they had just put a round bale in the field and afterwards thought about Elwood not having dry hay. What did I want to do?

    I said go ahead and leave him out. Here is a picture of when I brought him in.


    I attached the image to my first post accidentally.


    I was in the 'sooner' camp before, but this was heart wrenching and put me in the 'asap' boat.

    Note his expression and ears though. He is happy, but I cannot let him on the round bale anymore - no turnout will make him anxious.

    I cannot type more now.
         

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