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post #21 of 32 Old 12-16-2011, 12:56 PM
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I'm very down hearted that you would want a horse to suffer... just to look pretty.
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post #22 of 32 Old 12-16-2011, 12:58 PM
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Concerning genetics, I don't like the idea of horse with HYPP and I think I would consider this possibility only if there was no other choice to achieve such musculature. But, when we talk about genetics, I wonder: genes regulate proteosynthesis and thus, they provide instructions how to build the body. SO ... what about manipulation of proteosynthesis? This should have similar results as different genetic background. I mean: what about food supplements that regulates production of proteins? Or medication - especially steroids? What about finding a way to reduce production or block myostatin (less myostatin, more muscles - look at famous belgian blue cattel)? As I said, I'm ready to consider anything, so I'm not much against such things as steroids.

Golden_horse >> Well, looking for a foal, how to find the "right deformed, over muscled" one? What features to look for to be sure the horse will one day end with the desired body form?
This is truly appalling.

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Centaur, I'm sorry I really can't offer anything constructive to answer your question, I have no experience to offer.

It's not a look I like, and yes to me it's a deformity, kind of double muscled like the Belgian Blue cattle.

I realize we can't all like the same things, but I can't see the point in something so overdeveloped as to be totally useless for any sort of work, and as I don't like the look I couldn't even admire it as a pasture ornament.
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post #24 of 32 Old 12-16-2011, 01:00 PM Thread Starter
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I'm very down hearted that you would want a horse to suffer... just to look pretty.
No, I absolutely don't want the horse to suffer! I would't do to the horse anything I would't do to myself. I would love him with all my heart and, as I said in the firs post, any uncomfort caused by such conformation would be compensated.
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No, I absolutely don't want the horse to suffer! I would't do to the horse anything I would't do to myself. I would love him with all my heart and, as I said in the firs post, any uncomfort caused by such conformation would be compensated.
I apologize, but having a horse THAT over weight (yes, that much muscle for such a build IS overweight.), then yes, that horse is going to be in pain. It has been explained throughout this board that the lungs have a hard time working, that their joints cannot last, and that the horses have a hard time even waddling around pasture. I'm sorry... but to me that says pain.

Edit: I forgot to add, that taking away the things a horse loves to do... running, playing, being able to even stand and graze, taking those things from them is also a mental pain I would imagine. You CANNOT compensate a horse for putting them through pain, they do not think that way. It's not like "Oh well... it hurts to even walk, but at least the food is good so my owner is making it worth it!" No, they think like "hurt hurt hurt hurt...food... hurt hurt hurt."
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This is truly appalling.
I'm talking about the tiny possibility to consider HYPP positive horse because there are always born some halter horses with this disease, so there is this choice of buying one. BUT I want to do as much as possible to avoid even considering it and I would never breed such horses for purpose of spreading it! What do you think I am?

And, please, keep in mind that what someone sees as deformity, the other might see as true beauty.
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Wow....If you are a true horse person, it shouldn't be about you. It is about the horse and its well being. You came on here already expecting negative comments, you already know what you are doing is wrong. Are we humans that selfish?
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Edit: I forgot to add, that taking away the things a horse loves to do... running, playing, being able to even stand and graze, taking those things from them is also a mental pain I would imagine. You CANNOT compensate a horse for putting them through pain, they do not think that way. It's not like "Oh well... it hurts to even walk, but at least the food is good so my owner is making it worth it!" No, they think like "hurt hurt hurt hurt...food... hurt hurt hurt."
Do you think that, loving the horse, I would continue the process of building muscles if I saw the horse is not happy? Do you think I would continue if I saw the horse can't do even those basic things that are so important for him to be happy? NO!!!
I wouldn't seek to fulfill this goal without any compromise! I would look for horse's happiness as the most important thing! I wouldn't want to cross the "balance point" between musculature and happiness.


What I want from you, people, is to teach me how to achieve this "double-muscled" look in theory. But, please, believe me I will control the actual process of building such body and stop when there would be any possible problems.

Thank you very much for understanding.
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Do you think that, loving the horse, I would continue the process of building muscles if I saw the horse is not happy? Do you think I would continue if I saw the horse can't do even those basic things that are so important for him to be happy? NO!!!
I wouldn't seek to fulfill this goal without any compromise! I would look for horse's happiness as the most important thing! I wouldn't want to cross the "balance point" between musculature and happiness.
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Really... because I'm sure you said you would be willing to do anything to get that look.

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I'm ready to do virtually anything for the "double-muscled" look. I am willing to consider ANY method to achieve it.
ANY method would include pain. I'm sure you are aware of that at this point, why bother going any further if you truly have the animals best interest at heart?
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What I want from you, people, is to teach me how to achieve this "double-muscled" look in theory.
I may be wrong but I really don't believe you will find that help here as this community is truly about the welfare of the animal.

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