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post #101 of 123 Old 05-19-2010, 11:01 PM
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I can't help you other than saying you will should probably put the horse down. She isn't in good shape. It will be a miracle if she doesn't get an infection and doesn't turn cripple.
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post #102 of 123 Old 05-19-2010, 11:11 PM
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I'm also in the put her down boat.

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One of my favorite sayings when it comes to horses: "a week too soon is better than a minute too late."

I think that applies in her situation.

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post #103 of 123 Old 05-19-2010, 11:33 PM
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I do think its worth a try, but with anything like this it is touch and go, weather or not its far for the animal. I am not jumping on this "put him down" band wagon, but saying to take a step back and really think about whats best. I hope it all works out, and she survives this.
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post #104 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 12:05 AM
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Wow. See this is why I stopped posting so often here. How many times does it have to be explained that the vet is not available? How many times does it have to be explained that the OPs dad is going to try to save the horse regardless of what we say? How many times does the OP have to say they are watching the horse for misery -- in emotion and pain? The poor girl is asking if we have advice on how to help. If you don't have any, don't post. If your suggestion has already been posted 6 dozen times (yes, I'm exaggerating), don't bother to post the same thing again.

Koobean, I wish I had some advice for the physical care of such a wound, but I don't. With the support you have been getting from the vets via long-distance communications, you are already far beyond any suggestions I could add in that area.

It sounds to me like you guys have a good sense of the seriousness of this and the possible outcomes.

Here's all that I can suggest for your dad's huge emotional, financial and time investment:

Keep your heads about you at all times. The ability to see what is really there versus what you want to see must be maintained. I strongly urge you/your dad to keep a daily journal of everything you do and see including body temperature, respiration, excretions, feeding. And don't ever write down "no change." Each entry should be independent of the previous entry and factual only. You could add just one subjective line every day like "good day today" but keep the journal as objective as possible. That way you won't wonder if something changed or not. You will have actual notes and measurements to refer to. Take pictures daily of the wounds and the entire horse. Preferably in the same position, same time of day. Consider holding a measuring tape beside each of the wounds at picture time, keeping the start at the same point on the mare each time -- not relative to the wound, but relative to say the coronet band or point of hip or joint, etc.

No one can tell you for sure what will happen, of course. I hope your dad and the horse are strong enough for the road he has laid out for him and her. And I hope your dad is strong enough to recognize at any given time the best thing for his special friend and his ability to provide it.
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post #105 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 12:15 AM
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very well said NorthernMama, I agree.


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post #106 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 12:53 AM
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Northern Mama, I second that...

It seems the longest threads on this site are the negative ones... PEOPLE, quit judging this girl and just hope for the best!!! Don't post if you don't have good thoughts and prayers or advice for them... The 5000 people before you have told her to kill the horse. SHE GETS IT

She and her dad are CLEARLY gonna try and save her, so be glad they care that much!!! My dad would've had his gun loaded the second after the accident, and we could afford to euth!!! In the end I'm sure they will do what is best for the horse, obviously they love her... If you say she may not be able to be ridden again so she needs to be put down, you should be ashamed... If they can give her a pain free, happy but useless life good for them!!!!

I'm not saying she should have to live with pain, she shouldn't, but if she can live pain free, she should... The horse deserves to have EVERY option exhausted before they put her to sleep. No horse should be put to sleep if there is a chance for a quality life. No matter how much effort it takes...

It may be a painful, ugly process for her, but I've had 2 knee surgeries that were too, and I have a great quality of life!!!! I have limitations, but I don't deserve to get shot, and I didn't get shot before my injuries were even assessed!!! Neither should this horse... When they foal, I'm sure it's painful, but no one is out there in the pasture digging the hole!!

She may recover completely or the owners may have to make that difficult decision if the horse takes a bad turn (again, I'm not against it if there is no other alternative), but if the horse had a voice, they would rather suffer a few months and live 10 more years (I don't know how old the horse is) than suffer five minutes and get shot in the head by the people who are supposed to care for it without them even putting in an effort to save her....

Those who say it is selfish to try and *save the horse's life* because it may hurt, I bet SHE would disagree if she could... I'm sure someone that posted 'kill the horse, kill the horse' on this thread gives their horse bute for pain, and some horses live their whole life on bute, *because they hurt*

Pain is not always the enemy, but most of the time, DEATH is!!!






Koobean, You should definitely watch for infections, and if the horse pulls through, call out some kind of vet (any kind) and make sure she doesn't have any left over pain as a side effect of the injury....
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post #107 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 12:56 AM
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The thing that worries me most is that her quality of life from here on out is not looking good. Even IF that wound heals up, she will have ongoing problems. It is all well and good to say that she will just be put out to pasture, but she's not going to be comfortable. I can understand how hard it is to even consider putting her down. My pony lost his tail not all that long ago and if he had have had exposed bone, his story probably would have ended a lot sooner than I would have liked.

I am just urging you to consider her future.

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post #108 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 01:18 AM
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The thing that worries me most is that her quality of life from here on out is not looking good. Even IF that wound heals up, she will have ongoing problems. It is all well and good to say that she will just be put out to pasture, but she's not going to be comfortable. I can understand how hard it is to even consider putting her down. My pony lost his tail not all that long ago and if he had have had exposed bone, his story probably would have ended a lot sooner than I would have liked.

I am just urging you to consider her future.
Are you saying you would have put down your pony if the bone in his tail had been showing? Im sorry but thats a bit far...if your will to put a horse down over his tail you might as well run around gun happy...

Also...Alot of horses are not comfortable... arthritic ones who need bute an supplements hurt but we keep them around... as far as im concerned any animal who shows a will to live and can be kept in a fairly comfortable state deserves a chance. Lots of horses have problems and limp but live happy lives with a pain killer every now and then.

Hell I have a slightly bum knee, I injured a tendon, Had to have 9 stitches in my knee because I got run into a post with sheet metal sticking off. The Large tendon that wraps around your knee got slightly damaged. Doc said there wasnt much to do except stitch it up and let it heal. Im fine and active but I still have to take a pain pill on and off if I get to active...I def dont want to be put down cause I sorta have a gimp.

This horse may have a perminent limp but so long as a little pain killer can keep her fairly comfy after all this heals then let the dang horse live out its life...a doted on pasture puff can be just as happy if not happier then a working horse.

send hope to people in need...not just hurt...


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post #109 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 01:22 AM
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I agree pidge, nowadays, there's a supplement/pill for that. There's things (some even come in powders to put in oats) to keep things from hurting. If all goes well that horse will be a happy pasture puff for the rest of her life :)
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post #110 of 123 Old 05-20-2010, 01:38 AM
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Nope, I said his story PROBABLY would have been shorter. Meaning that there is more chance that he would have become infected. I never implied I would have put him to sleep right then and there, but I would have been preparing for the worst. A tail is not a necessity for my pony to live a happy life. But if an infection got in that bone he sure wouldn't have been happy.

I am not trying to send hurt her way, I am simply offering my point of view, my opinion. Which is, after all, what a forum is about.

I am sorry if I have put anyone's nose out of joint, as that was never my intention. I have said my piece regarding the OP's situation and I will not feel the need to say it again.

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