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post #1 of 80 Old 07-23-2011, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
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Is my farrier doing a good job?

I started leasing my horse, Woody, back in February and moved him to the barn where I've been taking lessons for the past several years. Never having had a horse of my own, I went with the barn's regular farrier.

Woody has aluminum shoes on his front feet (required by the lease; there's no real reason the shoes are aluminum except that the owner feels like it's a "treat" for him) but is barefoot in back.

About 5-6 weeks ago, I noticed that Woody's back feet, which had been trimmed less than two weeks ago were chipping at the quarters. On closer inspection, I noticed the chips were at the base of pretty obvious flares. Talking to my trainer and a Pete Ramey-style natural trimmer at my barn, it sounded like this was pretty typical of a farrier-style trim. Taking a closer look at Woody's hooves, I'm not convinced my farrier is doing all that great of a job in general, but I'm also wondering if maybe I'm just being too critical since in the "real world" no hooves are perfect and this is the first time I've been paying this much attention to a horse's feet.

I took photos last week after Woody's latest trim (literally about an hour after the trim) Instead of posting all of them (there are a lot of them, and they're pretty big), I'll post a couple here, and the rest are here: Photos of all Woody's Hooves

Woody's front left, side view. To me, it looks like his heel is a bit underrun and the shoe doesn't fit very well:


His rear left, toe view. Can you spot the flare?


Woody doesn't have any problems with lameness, tripping, etc. So should I be worried about his feet and look for another farrier?

The owner doesn't really believe in natural trimming, but I'm trying to convince her to let him go barefoot for the winter at least. I'm hoping that if he does well over the winter she'll let me continue indefinitely...
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post #2 of 80 Old 07-23-2011, 12:37 PM
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can't see the pics
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post #3 of 80 Old 07-23-2011, 12:48 PM Thread Starter
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Not sure why I don't have an "Edit" button... I'll try attaching the images instead.

Is the link not working, as well? I hate to attach that many images in a post, but if it's just not working maybe I'll add on a few more.
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I can see the pics in your first post, I'm far from an expert(especially with shoes as my horses are all barefoot) but it doesn't look like that good of a job to me. I see lots of flaring.
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before you read my comment know I AM NOT AND DO NOT CLAIM TO BE AN EXPERT but from what I do know and what I can see in these photos looks to me like in the first picture of the hoof with the shoe it looks like the heels are a little under run and if your horse is getting shoed properly this should not happen also in the second picture that hoof is way too long and the shape does not appear to be even. (I can only see those two pictures from where you commented the 2nd time)
From what I see I would say it is time for a new farrier.
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They look bad to me. One shoe looks like it was set crooked. Flares and just not a good job.
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Thanks- I'm glad to hear it's not just me being overly critical. I told Woody's owner about my concerns before she came to give him his wormer a couple weeks ago, and she said they looked fine to her. I'm not sure she really remembered to take a close look while she was out there.

I will definitely be looking for someone new! There's a farrier who comes out to my area every 7 weeks who's both a farrier and a natural hoof trimmer, so if his references turn out positive I think I'll give him a try!
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He's left the shoes a little short and the front feet are in danger of running forward. Heels are slightly under run. He's left some crappy flaky sole on the fronts and his finish is messy.

The backs, your very right to be concerned about the flares and if you look carefully you will see that the M/L balance is off to. The white foot has a broken forward Pastern, needs a bit more off the heels and bad M/L balance. They're not finished at all, love the deep rasp marks, not.

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Talking to my trainer and a Pete Ramey-style natural trimmer at my barn, it sounded like this was pretty typical of a farrier-style trim.

One of my pet peeves. There is no such thing as a farrier style trim. A trim is either good, bad or mediocre, wether its done by a "trimmer" or a "farrier"
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Here is why I gave up trimming. Other than it affecting my already bad back was that a lot of "barefoot" farriers are taught -including me- that you do one small step at a time and over time th hoof corrects. I had my horses done by myself and also a known barefoot trimmer who I was told was great and my boss used to use him. I always felt uncomfortable that problems took far too long to correct and after he turned into a farrier that decided not to respect customer service and actually return peoples calls I switched to one my besti tried out and he travels and hour and a half just to come trim my horses feet now that I don't and ha only been out 5 times now and all my horses problems are gone. In fact the flaring that was "slowly being corrected" by the old farrier was in fact completely corrected first time the new one came out and trimmed an none of my horses have ever been lame from my new farrier trimming. Yes there is under run heels on the near fore and shoe seems to small. On the near hind there is such intense flaring there is no way he is doing a good job on the hooves considering he has been out since you have had that horse in Feb. Let alone all the toe lengths and finish jibs in the hooves. My farrier will lightly rasp the wall every trim which promotes healthy wall growth and there appears to be founder or malnutrition lines in the hooves especially in the near fore shot (I can only see the two shots of the near fore and hind). Definitely find a new farrier and perhaps put him on a hoof supp like gelatine (cheaper trick which works miracles I learnt it from qh showing people here) or some other proper hoof supp. But defs get a new farrier that is shocking work IMO.
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I keep all my horses barefoot so bare with me on this. I agree his hind hooves are WAY too long. The foot itself is very steep. The heels on both front and back are what seems the most worrisome to me. This photo:
http://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/l/jFHU...0000/a6e903a#3
Is so shocking. The heel is so steep and looks to be almost an inch away from the shoe. IDK about shoeing but this seems very very steep to me. Of course the heel shouldn't be too short and of course each trimmer will vary on their type and style. But the hind being so long and the front being so steep seems like a problem waiting to happen. I also wonder why they are cutting into the sole so much and it almost looks like they have no bar either. I'd consult a second opinion and possibly a vet.

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