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    01-18-2012, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
Chastetree dosage for my EMS horse is a heaping Tablespoon thru the winter and a heaping 1/4 household measuring cup once shedding season gets here.
That's something that ultimately will depend on Hunter's personal needs.
I am keeping Hunter's coat clipped over the winter (with a guard so that he will still have some coat) and will be body clipped once it gets warm here, because it warms up fast in the spring. What exactly does the chastetree help with?
Dexamethasone (along with being a potent anti-inflammatory) is a glucose-type corticosteroid.

This link says it a lot better than I can. http://www.bendequine.com/documents/...ngsDisease.pdf

Where it says in part:




My 24 yr old has a really bad case of hock/ankle arthritis and his right hip is now getting stiff from trying to relieve the left hock/ankle since the EMS exacerbated the pain five years ago.

I buy pharmaceutical grade NSAIDS. Even though they are very expensive, less is more because they are guaranteed 99% pure.

I have him on:

Chondroitin/MSM (glucosamine is a huge no-no for these horses).

Hyalarin/Boswelia <--helps a LOT.

Cipex is an all herbal products to promote blood circulation. I have recently started both my mid-20's Fellas on Cipex and it has made a huge improvement in both of them.

Herbal Remedies for Horses including Natural Equine Supplements for Laminitis and Founder in Horses- Herbs For Horses This is the company I buy the Chastetree from.

All my horses come in at night or Duke would climb the walls, like Hunter, because Duke is the strong alpha-dominant in my herd of four.
Hunter isn't the dominant horse, he's kind of in the middle of the 11 total horses in his field. He has never been stalled except for the first month I had him before I realized it'd make him crazy.. Even with other horses in near him.

We re-did the stalls last year and raised them by at least 4", then put grid mats down. Those mats were mainly to make stall cleaning easier but they have done a lot to aid Duke's arthritis.

I only bed him with 2" 3" of shavings because it's too hard for him to get up if they're any deeper. I keep an intercom on the nightstand, that's how I know all that

Duke will lose weight easily since becoming EMS, I feed him equine pelleted rice bran. Even though it's high in NSC, it is healthy fat calories and provides a cool energy.
I'm going to attach some pictures I took of the Keep Pace feed back. Let me know what you think.

He eats the Vit/min supplement EquiPride, Omega-3 Horseshine, rice bran and mushed up timothy/alfalfa cubes as his base feed. Then all the supplements get added in.

If Duke were Hunter's age he would not be getting any alfalfa - he was always full of go-go-go but now that he's 24 he needs the extra protein and amino acids to help sustain muscle. The EMS caused quite a bit of muscle waste with him.
I also spoke with my vet today. He has not heard of chastetree, but suggested a wormer to make sure that's not the reason I can't keep weight on him, and if I wanted to start him on Pergolide we could and he'd write the prescription.
     
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    01-18-2012, 11:43 PM
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Here are the pictures of the Keep Pace bag..
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    01-19-2012, 01:23 AM
  #13
Weanling
My old mare had a mild case of it. When we brought her back into health, shedding got a little better, but we often called her the wooly mammoth in the winter. She did have a lot of weight problems, but beet pulp did her good. You just gotta do the best you can for your horse. I wish I knew more about it, the ranch owners didn't really do anything for it. :/
     
    01-19-2012, 09:37 AM
  #14
Green Broke
Huh!!! I would use that feed and might pay to have it shipped if I ever lose my other options

I'm sure the protein source is soy but geez, that company looks to have put together a good bag of feed that most of the horse world could benefit from.

No iron has been added - someone was pretty smart to know not to add iron.

What a pleasant surprise

This is a great link that talks about chastetree and other types of herbs. It also mentions that these metabolic horses should not have Bute.

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    01-19-2012, 10:38 AM
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Hunter is slowly gaining weight now that he's on this feed, and all the others have had their portions cut back on it to keep them from getting too fat :) their coats all look better as well, and one horse has also gotten a little bit calmer.

Thank you for the link, I need to look into it a bit more before deciding if I want to try that before medicine.

After looking into Pergolide on SmartPak, with the vet's recommendation of 1mL/day to begin with, it would be over $50 a month on the medicine alone, plus the Cool Calories 100 and the joint supplement he's getting.. My parents are about to be passing all the bills over to me now! :/
     
    01-19-2012, 11:51 AM
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Okay so this is slightly off topic, but I'm realizing Hunter's supplements are now close to $100/month and I'm a broke college student trying to pay for it all on top of a car payment.. He is currently on Corta-Flex for his joints and doing fine, but I was wondering if he might do any better on something with MSM? Such as:
MSM by SmartPak (formerly SmartMSM®) - Equine Joint Supplements from SmartPak Equine
Or
Vita Flex MSM (Formerly MSM 99.8% Ultra Pure) - Equine Anti-Inflammatory Supplements from SmartPak Equine

They both cost about 1/3 what the Corta-Flex does per month and I've heard good things about MSM.

Vet also suggested trying a PowerPack wormer to see if that's part of the reason he's hard to keep weight on. I have the actual name written down but of course I don't have it with me.

So my questions:
Should I try the PowerPack to see how it affects his weight? If I do, should I keep giving him the Cool Calories 100 through/afterwards or cut it out so we can see how the wormer affects him?
Would it bother him to switch joint supplements to something cheaper with MSM? He's not a picky eater by any means so I'm not worried about changing tastes/textures.

I really don't want to seem like I'm just trying to find the cheapest way to help him, I want what's best for him but I also don't want to end up completely broke because of it! :)

Any advice would be super appreciated!
     
    01-19-2012, 12:45 PM
  #17
Green Broke
=amp23;1315852]Okay so this is slightly off topic, but I'm realizing Hunter's supplements are now close to $100/month and I'm a broke college student trying to pay for it all on top of a car payment.. He is currently on Corta-Flex for his joints and doing fine, but I was wondering if he might do any better on something with MSM? Such as:
MSM by SmartPak (formerly SmartMSM®) - Equine Joint Supplements from SmartPak Equine
Or
Vita Flex MSM (Formerly MSM 99.8% Ultra Pure) - Equine Anti-Inflammatory Supplements from SmartPak Equine

They both cost about 1/3 what the Corta-Flex does per month and I've heard good things about MSM.For 1/3 the cost, I would try either of them.

I feed Chondroitin/MSM; these horses cannot have glucosamine.

I also feed this and buy it thru Valley Vet's cataglog. Hylarin-B ™ (Powder): medvetpharm=

Vet also suggested trying a PowerPack wormer to see if that's part of the reason he's hard to keep weight on. I have the actual name written down but of course I don't have it with me.Most likely Panacur. If your vet is ok with that, it might be worth a try but I'd watch him closely for any reactions.

So my questions:
Should I try the PowerPack to see how it affects his weight? If I do, should I keep giving him the Cool Calories 100 through/afterwards or cut it out so we can see how the wormer affects him?My thought is to keep feeding it; mainly to not change anything in his diet as PowerPacking is a major poisoning of the system but sometimes a necessary evil. I would never arbitrarily PowerPack my horses because someone on the Net said to BUT, your vet is suggesting it so it's decision for you to make. Not much help on this one

Would it bother him to switch joint supplements to something cheaper with MSM? He's not a picky eater by any means so I'm not worried about changing tastes/textures.It will only bother him if it doesn't work as well.

I really don't want to seem like I'm just trying to find the cheapest way to help him, I want what's best for him but I also don't want to end up completely broke because of it! :)Believe me, I know how cheap it ISN'T to care for these horses. Trying to find something that works for less money does not make anyone a bad horse parent.

I could pay for all your books and probably your dorm & meals (if you lived on campus) with what I spend on my two metabolic horses annually

Along with the fact that my Trimmer started doing crummy work, the metabolic & arthritic expenses are another reason I took everyone's hooves back. At $40/horse for a trim, four horses add up every five weeks

My 24 yr old with EMS and arthritis costs double or more what the plain old IR fella costs me

Any advice would be super appreciated!
     
    01-19-2012, 12:51 PM
  #18
Green Broke
=amp23;1315731]Hunter is slowly gaining weight now that he's on this feed, and all the others have had their portions cut back on it to keep them from getting too fat :) their coats all look better as well, and one horse has also gotten a little bit calmer.

Thank you for the link, I need to look into it a bit more before deciding if I want to try that before medicine.

After looking into Pergolide on SmartPak, with the vet's recommendation of 1mL/day to begin with,That seems like an awful lot to start out with but I could be wrong -- it depends how severe the test results were.

My friend started her Paso Fino on .05 ml but he did get worse a lot faster than I though he would.

After 10 or so months, she knew his dose needed doubled but the vet was in the military in Afghanistan.

The other vet wouldn't do anything, so she had to wait until the first vet returned home. It wasn't until last September (about 18 months from when the horse first went on Pergolide) that she was able to double the dosage. I think by then it was too late because her horse kept having one abscess on top of another one.

EDITED TO ADD: Shoot, I almost forgot, you can order Pergolide on-line from a reputable company, with a script from the Vet. My friend did and there are some folks on another forum that also use mail order because it is so much cheaper. I can never remember the company; I will e-mail my friend for the name.

Here's a link to the COTH forum that names at least three places on-line that cheap to buy from. It's either Thriving Pets or Pethealthpharmacy that my friend buys from.

Hopefully this will help with cost reduction:) http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=301093
     
    01-19-2012, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by walkinthewalk    
=amp23;1315731]Hunter is slowly gaining weight now that he's on this feed, and all the others have had their portions cut back on it to keep them from getting too fat :) their coats all look better as well, and one horse has also gotten a little bit calmer.

Thank you for the link, I need to look into it a bit more before deciding if I want to try that before medicine.

After looking into Pergolide on SmartPak, with the vet's recommendation of 1mL/day to begin with,That seems like an awful lot to start out with but I could be wrong -- it depends how severe the test results were.
Maybe I heard wrong.. But either way he'd have to write the prescription for it anyway.

My friend started her Paso Fino on .05 ml but he did get worse a lot faster than I though he would.
Hunter hasn't seemed to have gotten worse lately (coat, drinking/urinating wise), though his arthritis has gotten worse.

After 10 or so months, she knew his dose needed doubled but the vet was in the military in Afghanistan.

The other vet wouldn't do anything, so she had to wait until the first vet returned home. It wasn't until last September (about 18 months from when the horse first went on Pergolide) that she was able to double the dosage. I think by then it was too late because her horse kept having one abscess on top of another one.

EDITED TO ADD: Shoot, I almost forgot, you can order Pergolide on-line from a reputable company, with a script from the Vet.
I was looking earlier on SmartPak and getting the whole thing every 28 days that he needs, including the Pergolide.

My friend did and there are some folks on another forum that also use mail order because it is so much cheaper. I can never remember the company; I will e-mail my friend for the name.

Here's a link to the COTH forum that names at least three places on-line that cheap to buy from. It's either Thriving Pets or Pethealthpharmacy that my friend buys from.

[COLOR=#0000ff]Hopefully this will help with cost reduction:) ]Suggestions on where to buy Pergolide? - Chronicle Forums
Thanks! I will look into that after my classes today (doing all this in between classes) :)
     

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