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post #21 of 40 Old 09-27-2008, 11:59 AM
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If youa re set on that feed I would call Blueseal and ask one of thier nutritionist what to add

you want to make sure you are not goign too high in some things and they are the best to help you ...most feed companies are great about helping customers too
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post #22 of 40 Old 09-27-2008, 12:06 PM Thread Starter
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i will prolly just buy weighbuilder from tsc

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Peggysue - you're good girl! I've had good luck with Ultium - it's high fat and tons of calories - a little pricy but usually 2 lbs twice a day does it for most of the horses I've tried it on. Ultimate Finish is good and also Amplify if you need to add fat. The new Wellsolve seems to be working if you have a horse that you really need to be careful with how much starch they get - or shouldn't get!
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post #24 of 40 Old 09-27-2008, 04:43 PM
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i will prolly just buy weighbuilder from tsc
Most of those products are a waste of money the best thing you can do is increase their forage ie: hay/pasture to all they wil eat in 24hours and feed a good quality low NSC feed that is HIGH in nutrition

when you go mix and matching stuff you take the chance on sending them toxic which is a whole nother ball game that you don't wanna get into THINK KIDNEY FAILURE and other things just as bad think colick think founder
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what is NCS??? i give them all the hay they want but they dont eat it all. of i cut it back. i prolly am going to buy a round bale for the winter and give them WeightBuilder

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post #26 of 40 Old 09-28-2008, 03:48 PM
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I don't mean to come in and cause trouble, but gosh Erin, Peggysue has been awesome, rallying up sites, looking at feeds for you etc... and you keep shutting her down... you wanted advice with feeding, and yet you don't like any of the suggestions made.
I completely agree with Peggysue, the levels of sugars in some feeds are the cause to make horses heat up.... you need to find a fibre alternative.

It seems you are unhappy with the choices offered, if you're really concerned with their weight, I suggest you speak with a nutritiionist, who will help you choose the right meal for your horses, and what supplements to add in.

Peggysue, you're a legend for finding all those links in her area!
Again, not trying to be horrible, but it does annoy me when people ask for advice, are given it, and then don't really respect it.
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post #27 of 40 Old 09-28-2008, 06:41 PM
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Here try this site
http://www.understanding-horse-nutrition.com/

it was put together by a U of I grad that was tried of not being able to understand what was being said about equine nutrition

NSC is the amount of sugars and starches in a horse's diet ... what people fail to relize when they start dumping sweet feeds into thier horses is that the horse's digestive system is not designed to digest the carbs and can cause MANY HUGE health problems including ulcers, colick and founder!! I understnad you are confused and I understand it is hard to change what has always been done ... but face ONE full blown colick with no vet avaiable to help you and you will see the "light"...
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post #28 of 40 Old 09-29-2008, 09:08 AM
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Peggy Sue's advice is solid. I would go with what she recommends.

About protein:
http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/hrs3243#spirited

If you don't want to feed one of the higher protein ration balancers, then don't feed any grain at all. 3.5 lbs of the feed you want to give is NOT enough for full nutrition, so just don't bother.

I feed alfalfa pellets or chopped alfalfa hay (3 lbs), whole oats (1 lb), and a vitamin supplement designed for horses on little to no fortified grain. Right now I'm using Smart Pak's Smart Vite Maintenence Grass:
http://www.smartpakequine.com/produc...ctClassid=4579

I would feed the above, plus add either whole flax seeds (2 cups) or corn oil (working up to 1 cup) or stabilized rice bran (working up to 2 lbs).

The above would give you full nutrition plus high levels of fat. Get your horses' teeth done and be sure they are dewormed properly. If you haven't dewormed them in the past 2 months, or you used something ineffective last time, then deworm now with Ivermectin and Quest Plus in 6 weeks. That will clear out all the parasites so they will better utilize the feed they eat.
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post #29 of 40 Old 09-29-2008, 09:10 AM
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Here try this site
http://www.understanding-horse-nutrition.com/

it was put together by a U of I grad that was tried of not being able to understand what was being said about equine nutrition

NSC is the amount of sugars and starches in a horse's diet ... what people fail to realize when they start dumping sweet feeds into thier horses is that the horse's digestive system is not designed to digest the carbs and can cause MANY HUGE health problems including ulcers, colic and founder!! I understand you are confused and I understand it is hard to change what has always been done ... but face ONE full blown colic with no vet available to help you and you will see the "light"...
Sweet feed and high starch diets can also cause weight LOSS, behavioral problems, and "training issues." Once I got my horses off sweet feed and feed pellets they were easier to handle, my mare's heats were FAR less troublesome, my hard keeper GAINED weight, and my feed bill went way down, lol.
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post #30 of 40 Old 09-29-2008, 10:21 AM
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I like all the info I've just been reading and Peggysue did a great job on research for you; but I want disagree with one point in particular.

I've been feeding a mixture of sweetfeed/pellet in a 10% protein level for well over 20 years. I've never had a horse colic from it nor have I had any behavioral problems associated with it's use. My horses are turned out 24/7 and when pasture is in poor shape I supplement with hay. If a horse is in need of weight I will feed about 2 1/2lb x 2 per day (I actually weigh their feed). As they come up to the proper weight I'll cut back, when I'm comfortable that they are maintaining, to about 1/2lb X 2. I'll adjust according to the work load and their weight.

When I got Bobo (pedigree listed in my signature), as an example, he was about 100 lb under weight and it took about 2 months to build him up. I ride him about 5 days per week and I now have to keep him in the paddock at night rather then the pasture because he is gaining too much weight. Foraging is still the best way to put weight on a horse but sweetfeed should not be a problem. and I think it gets a bad rap.

There are always examples of sweetfeed problems as Luvs2ride had but there can be problems associated with any feed.

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