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    07-25-2010, 04:13 PM
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Foal
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I am not having a good horse year, again. My mare is going for x-rays soon for a possible diagnosis of navicular. I have read up on this as I don't know much, and some of my friends say I should just put her down if she has it. She is very talented and I don't want to lose her. Im looking for advice I guess. We are just waiting on results for our P.O.A for cushings or IR etc. All this waiting is so hard.
     
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    07-25-2010, 04:18 PM
  #2
Started
Depending on how severe it is, she can be padded and have corrective shoeing done to help keep her out of pain.
Or, there are alot of barefoot advocates who say having them go barefoot and trimmed correctly will help with the Navicular symptoms.
Is she really lame? Or just a bit?
     
    07-25-2010, 05:17 PM
  #3
Yearling
I am so sorry- I hope that you get news back it is something simple like an abcess or something like that!
     
    07-25-2010, 08:52 PM
  #4
Foal
She has been lame off and on all year, starting so sutle that I thought I was seeing things, my chiro has been working her but she wasnt improving so when the vet was here with Sky he saw what I was talking about. I am a bit paranoid now with lamness as Warrior died because of it, but I need to put that behind me. I was told that if I had started with chiro stuff 5yrs earlier I might still have him, now Im mad at myself for not involving my vet sooner. So sorry to vent, I am really trying to keep a positive attitude. There are a lot worse off than me. Thankyou for your replies. She has shoes on at the moment and is stood up well, I have read some articles about bare foot, what would you do if she was yours? I havent talked to my farrier yet.
     
    07-25-2010, 10:01 PM
  #5
Yearling
Even if you get that diagnosis you probably won't need to consider euthanasia for a long time with proper care and management. :)

I wish you and your mare the very best of luck. It's devastating when things like that happen to our partners and best friends. Good for you for taking the time and effort to figure out what is wrong and what to do.
     
    09-01-2010, 11:07 AM
  #6
Foal
Well I thought I would update now all the results are in. I have also been reading a lot on the forum and found a lot of good advice, thanks. Good news is that Sky is 100% healthy! So he is back in training and doing very well. Still might make a competion this fall! Dixie, not so good, she has navicular in both fronts, and ostioarthritis and bone spurs in her hocks. She is a very sore lame girl! My farrier is suppose to work on getting her sound in the front and they want to do alcohol injections in the hocks. So far we have spent 3300 on vet bills, Warrior was lame for 7 of his 10 yrs and we quit counting at 25000. We are not rich, we look after our animals though, but I was wondering what other people do? Like , when do you stop? Im not planning on giving up on dixie, its just a question. I do feel ripped off though, Two horses in a row and she is a dream come true now that we have worked through her issues from the past.
     
    09-01-2010, 10:45 PM
  #7
Trained
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Originally Posted by princess warrior    
She has shoes on at the moment and is stood up well, I have read some articles about bare foot, what would you do if she was yours? I havent talked to my farrier yet.
What would I do? Get the shoes off & start correcting the 'stood up' problem for starters. Use hoof boots &/or pads to enable her to begin to *comfortably* use her heels & therefore begin to use her feet correctly & enable her heels to begin to strengthen & get the stress off her toes.

Yes, when treated conventionally, 'navicular' is generally - in the end at least - a death sentence. It is 'incureable' with conventional measures and can only be managed palliatively until it becomes too bad & the horse is put down(often ultimately due to acute founder because of treatment!). But if managed effectively to enable the hooves to function *properly & comfortably*, able to make heel first impacts, the condition can actually be 'cured' so that the horse can return to(or often become for the first time) real soundness. Of course, it does depend on the progression of the 'disease' as to the likelihood of full rehab, and you can't regrow the damaged nav. Bone or P3, but the bone damage doesn't appear to effect the horse at all so long as the hooves can function properly.

To learn more, as well as prevent this sort of 'syndrome' happening to your horses again in the future, with correct management and farriery - avoiding farriers who want to 'stand up' your horse for eg - hoofrehab.com is a great, comprehensive place to start.

If you would like to post hoof pics, you'd get some more specific suggestions on what changes need to be made.
     
    09-02-2010, 12:13 AM
  #8
Foal
I took the shoes off the last time the farrier was here, about 3-4 weeks ago, and my coach would like more heel off, I will get some pics up. Will be thankfull for the advice. The vets at the university want her stood up more with 3 degree pads and eggbar shoes and a breakover, or anything simalar to the eggbar if he's not comfortable with those. I read the hoofrehab site and it made a lot of sense to me. I printed it to show my farrier. Should show the vets too.
     
    09-02-2010, 08:19 PM
  #9
Trained
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Originally Posted by princess warrior    
I took the shoes off the last time the farrier was here, about 3-4 weeks ago, and my coach would like more heel off, I will get some pics up. Will be thankfull for the advice. The vets at the university want her stood up more with 3 degree pads and eggbar shoes and a breakover, or anything simalar to the eggbar if he's not comfortable with those. I read the hoofrehab site and it made a lot of sense to me. I printed it to show my farrier. Should show the vets too.
Yeah, it's hard when there appear to be polar opposite views! All I can give you are mine - that after a lot of research & experience, and looking also at the research & heap of experiences of people like Pete Ramey, I *generally* disagree thoroughly with those vets. But you'll just need to do your own research, learn as much as you can of the principles & pros & cons of each approach & then make your own decision on which way you'll go.

With regard to disagreeing *generally* comment above, if the horse is young - or at least not really old & there is a fair chance of rehab, I'd definitely go that route. I would only choose the palliative, conventional approach for an old horse, or for one who is beyond hope of rehab - eg. The problems have been progressing so far for so long that there is too much damage to go pain free any other way - to hopefully give them some quality of life in comfort.
     
    09-02-2010, 11:18 PM
  #10
Foal
Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice. Dixie is 9 yrs, so I think barefoot should be given first option. I am reading lots and so is my farrier and coach and so far are all on baord. It was so weird when her shoes came off, she was better without than with. She also seams to know we are trying to help her and is doing so well. Yeah, the vets are not going to like this but oh well..
     

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