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    12-03-2011, 01:39 AM
Originally Posted by Phantomcolt18    
I hate to say it(this is going to make me sound SO cold hearted but I swear I am NOT) but my reasons for posting this wasn't to help her because there's nothing I could do. I saw an opportunity for a learning experience and I took it. If I could help her I would but I in reality can't and to be honest it's not my business I just thought it was interesting/scary and wanted to know more about it to prevent it from happening to any of my future horses
Hey, I totally understand that. I have a fascination with hooves and really everything to do with horses. So yes, a learning experience is always good! I took farrier science about 15 years ago and fell in love with the subject, so I have been learning all I can ever since. (I know just enough to be dangerous, haha). Well, I know just enough to be comfortable trimming my own horses.

Veterinary and farrier science cases are good learning experiences. I love watching my vet. I think one year he must have wondered what was wrong with me, because every time a horse was castrated in the neighborhood I was there. (Hey, they were my friends horses and I like to learn from the vet).
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    12-03-2011, 01:55 AM
Sorry if this has already been posted, I didn't read all the posts. It sounds strange that a horse went 13 years. Maybe unless it had a neurectomy at least 2x. Sounds like a case of navicular symptoms, not navicular syndrome. Especially since you said she was thin-soled enough to bleed. Lots of horses have navicular symptoms. They'll be sore in the frog area. Around here the vet check for navicular is: wack the frog with a hammer and see if they flinch. Lots of horses get diagnosed with navicular here.

I'd never put a wedge on a horse with coffin bone rotation, unless they put it on backwards?
    12-03-2011, 01:58 AM
Amazin- I'm just trying to learn. I'm only going off of what I was told and what I saw/experience with her.

I love learning new things and I had never heard of this before so thought I'd ask about it ~shrugs~
    12-03-2011, 02:27 AM
Yes maam, I hope my post didn't sound smart-aleck. That's just what I've seen in my experience. Like I said, I didn't read all this but I know navicular is way over-diagnosed. I've seen lots of sure-enough navicular cases, in fact I found and hauled the navicular horses to Mizzou to test Legend, the Bayer medicine for replacing bursal fluid (I think it was). And the REAL cases are hard to find. Navicular horses will alternate pointing their front feet, meaning they'll hold one out front, then switch. With a case like this, from what I read, I'd put a hard pad on those feet to armor-plate them. And put medicated hoof packing under the pad with foam or something at the back so debris doesn't push it's way under the pad
    12-03-2011, 02:31 AM
Why not a softer but thick pad to absorb the concussive force, AC? Concentrated iodine treatments might not be a bad way to go for the sole, though. But not if it's still openly bleeding.
    12-03-2011, 02:40 AM
Wow some of this is reeally interesting. I think im going to take a hoof analysis course or something of that nature to learn more. It definitely couldnt hurt
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    12-03-2011, 02:54 AM
Well my old pick-up horse was one of the ones I hauled up to Columbia for the study. He was bad navicular. The medicine didn't do him any good. So we got him nerved. 2 years later, nerves regenerated and he's lame again. So I started experimenting with different things on him. He was in a pasture, not a stall. I tried rubber pads, leather pads, aluminum wedge shoes, aluminum egg bar wedges, Aluminum egg bars with pads, and no telling what else. He did the best with St. Croix Xtras (wide steel shoes) and flat aluminum pads. They had no give. Actually they were sign material and consisted of 2 thin sheets of aluminum with hard plastic in between. I think anything with cushion allows hard footing (like rocks and frozen mud) to compress and bruise an already-sore foot. But I'm considering the horse being in a pasture and not a soft stall.
    12-03-2011, 02:59 AM
If a person had a shoe with a sole like a tennis shoe, that might be good. Like an inch thick. In theory, I would think it would work better if the ground surface was soft and the hardness increased closer to the foot surface. That way there was still a hard barrier against the hoof to prevent bruising.
    12-03-2011, 12:44 PM
I have a mare who has caudal heel pain from a ddft tear but no true navicular disease, and what's worked best for her is a wedged aluminum shoe with a fairly soft pour-in pad over mesh. And my "mystery" navicular gelding is finally shoeing improvement in wedged aluminum eggbars, no pad. But of course they're all different....

I was just wondering if the more immediate problem here wouldn't be the sole soreness/bruising/abscessing/founder and not the navicular.
    12-03-2011, 02:39 PM
Interesting, I've always associated soles in that condition with severe founder, but glad to hear that's not the case. So I'm guessing that the weak sole isn't directly caused from the navicular, right? Would it be a direct result of the earlier coffin bone rotation (made worse by the shoe pulling?) or an overall weak hoof due to a combination of internal structure issues and overuse?

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