Navicular Dilemmas...
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Keeping and Caring for Horses > Horse Health

Navicular Dilemmas...

This is a discussion on Navicular Dilemmas... within the Horse Health forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Horses category
  • Horse not lame but shows navicular changes on x ray
  • navicular changes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    05-08-2010, 03:52 PM
  #1
Foal
Navicular Dilemmas...

So here is the problemÖ:

A couple years ago I had my vet x-ray my mare, Cat, when she randomly went lame in her front leg. It ended up just being from a hot nail, but my vet coincidentally found navicular changes in the x-ray. He told me that the changes were not significant enough to worry about, but to keep them in mind if she went lame in the next few years.

Well I had the vet out last Saturday to do shots and had her re-x-ray Cat to see how/ if the changes were progressing. Come to find out, they ended up having gotten a lot worse since the last x-rays. The vet had us lunge Cat to check for lameness, and she ended up being lame on her left front leg. (She had been lame for the past few weeks, but I thought that it was from an old abscess that had grown out and was making her hoof crack.)

Anyway, between the x-rays, Cat being lame (as well as her stout yet large stature all on very small feet (size00 shoes)..) my vet decided to go ahead and treat her for navicular. My vet told me to have the farrier to put egg-bar type of shoes on her and to give her an Aspirin tablet (60grains) once a day, and 15 Isoxsuprine Hydrochloride, USP (20mg) tablets twice a day for a month and then once a day after that.


My farrier came out today to look at her. He ended up putting on heartbar shoes and putting equipack in the soles of her two fronts. He told me that if he owned Cat, that he would just see how the heartbars helped her and stop using the Isoxsuprine and Aspirin for the time being. He said that heís dealt with many navicular horses before, and he thinks that the vet is just going to try and get as much money as they can before we eventually end up having to denerve her. He said that he knows many top roping and cutting horses that are in their mid twenties and have navicular, and that their owners just put these types of shoes on them and give them Bute every day to keep away the pain. He recommended trying this with Cathorse for as long as possible and then consider denerving her when the shoes and then Bute (if necessary) arenít enough anymoreÖ Any thoughts on this approach?

What would you guys do? I would really appreciate any advice you guys may have on which route to try. Iím personally thinking that Iíll see how she does with these new shoes and wean her off of the Isoxsuprine and aspirin just to see if the shoes alone are enough for her right now. If she shows up lame again, Iíll put her back on the Isoxsuprine and aspirin and just leave her on it until she gets ouchy again and then call the vet back outÖDoes this sound like a reasonable plan of attack?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Iíve looked through navicular threads on here and other sources online, but it's still stressing me out. I just want Cat to be as sound and pain free for as long as possibleÖ I should be getting x-rays on a CD in the mail soon too, so Iíll post them when I can. Iíll also post pictures of her new shoes and the equipack if you guys want... Iím just going to have to get my sister to help since I only have one useable arm right now from shoulder surgery a few weeks ago.

Thanks so much!!
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    05-08-2010, 06:40 PM
  #2
Foal
The position of the shoe is more important than the shoe itself. Would love to see the pictures. I am surprised that the farrier would tell you not to do what the vet has suggested. Maybe he should have talked to the vet first.

I would suggest that you talk to the vet and ask about the long term effects of the medication. You may find that they compliment mechanical support nicely.

Richard
http://australianfarrier.com
     
    05-08-2010, 08:08 PM
  #3
Trained
If I had to choose who's advice to take between a vet and a certified journeyman farrier I would choose the farrier every time (unless the vet specialized in hooves). The farrier has only one part of one species to learn about and that is all he does. Most vets have to work on a horses feet and a cows stomach and a parakeets beak and a cats tail so they may not be as experienced with hoof treatments and will use whatever they remember from vet school. Anybody that has been to college for anything knows how prepared you really are for the work you have spent years training for.

Also if you are going to eventually need to denerve the horse you had just as well do it now and keep the horse comfortable. I know a few denerved horses (i own one) and I haven't seen that any of them stumble any more than any other horse.
     
    05-08-2010, 11:31 PM
  #4
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by ausfarrier    
The position of the shoe is more important than the shoe itself. Would love to see the pictures. I am surprised that the farrier would tell you not to do what the vet has suggested. Maybe he should have talked to the vet first.

I would suggest that you talk to the vet and ask about the long term effects of the medication. You may find that they compliment mechanical support nicely.

Richard
Australian Farrier

I'm planning on getting pictures tomorrow. Any particular angles that are better than others for analyzing this type of thing?

Thanks again!
     
    05-09-2010, 01:51 PM
  #5
Foal
I have had alot of experience with navicular with one of my horses. Have tried medicating the coffin joint, remedial shoeing. We are now taking the shoes off ans trying her barefoot to see if she goes sound.
De-nerving wasnt an option that we thought would bw suitable for my pony.
Is your horse insured? If so youd be better off doing all the expensive stuff now and letting the insurance pay
     
    05-09-2010, 08:37 PM
  #6
Foal
Okay here are a ton of pictures. Let me know if I need to take any different ones..

(Btw, the farrier flattened out the toe of her shoes so instead of them being circular, they are straight. He said it had something to do about the breakover but I didn't ask what he was referring to exactly or why he did it.. He also wants to try her in a 000 shoe next time. This is a 00, but he didn't have any smaller shoes on him and just filed the sides and toes of these to fit her properly.)

Thanks!


Cat (just for a body reference... sorry for the terrible lighting)


Left side view of legs










Front view (She is slightly pigeon-toed in the front and cow hocked in the back)




(Terrible picture really, but it gives you an idea of her legs from the front on)


Back view:


Left fore back view:


Left Sole: (Pardon the dirt.. for some reason when he shaped the shoe to fit, the nail holes closed up. I didn't know that the nails were sticking out of the sole like that though until he left... is this something I need to be worried about?)







Right fore back view:


Right sole:


     
    05-09-2010, 09:01 PM
  #7
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by orin    
i have had alot of experience with navicular with one of my horses. Have tried medicating the coffin joint, remedial shoeing. We are now taking the shoes off ans trying her barefoot to see if she goes sound.
De-nerving wasnt an option that we thought would bw suitable for my pony.
Is your horse insured? If so youd be better off doing all the expensive stuff now and letting the insurance pay
We don't have insurance on her and no insurance company is going to insure her now with all of her issues...
     
    05-09-2010, 10:07 PM
  #8
Trained
Wow. This really REALLY sucks for you. :(

How much has the coffin bone rotated?
     
    05-09-2010, 10:07 PM
  #9
Trained
The part I have a problem with is the nails not set in the shoe and the fact that he wants to go to a 000 shoe. I think the shoe is the right size and the horse certainly doesn't need her foot restricted by a smaller shoe. Leaving the nail heads out is going to make the shoe more likely to come off and as you can see on some of your pictures it causes the shoe to be unbalanced on the concrete. That may not matter for alot of horses but if your horse stands on cement or hard ground alot then it may cause discomfort. It also shows a certain amount of sloppiness and inattention to detail. If I had nailed that shoe on and found that the nail holes had smashed in I would have pulled it off and fixed it.
     
    05-09-2010, 10:19 PM
  #10
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
The part I have a problem with is the nails not set in the shoe and the fact that he wants to go to a 000 shoe. I think the shoe is the right size and the horse certainly doesn't need her foot restricted by a smaller shoe. Leaving the nail heads out is going to make the shoe more likely to come off and as you can see on some of your pictures it causes the shoe to be unbalanced on the concrete. That may not matter for alot of horses but if your horse stands on cement or hard ground alot then it may cause discomfort. It also shows a certain amount of sloppiness and inattention to detail. If I had nailed that shoe on and found that the nail holes had smashed in I would have pulled it off and fixed it.
Yeah I just emailed my farrier about the nails sticking out like that and attached some pictures for him to see. I hadn't realized that they were sticking out like that until he had already left..

I may be looking into calling my vet and seeing what farrier she recommends I try so that they can work together in to trying to get Cat as comfortable as possible instead of giving me conflicting advice. My current farrier is moving anyway in August and is mentoring another farrier (who did Cat yesterday with the other farrier's guidance) into taking over his clients when he moves. I just need to find a farrier that is super well qualified in dealing with these types of things and is willing to work with the vet instead of confusing me further with the conflicting advice. I really like my farrier and know that he is just trying to help me out... but I just don't know what to do...
     

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Navicular. sillybunny11486 Horse Health 14 11-03-2009 09:00 PM
Navicular! MoonlightEm Horse Health 3 06-20-2009 01:19 PM
NAVICULAR...or something else?! What do you think? edozier1 Horse Health 10 01-15-2009 06:49 PM
navicular NimblesGirl12 Horse Health 1 01-13-2009 02:07 AM
Navicular? prettypalfrey Horse Health 16 04-01-2007 08:40 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0