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    12-20-2007, 12:42 AM
  #1
Foal
Need help with weight gain and cribbing

Hi! I have a hard time keeping weight on my horse. She gets all the hay she wants and I also have her on Weight Builder. I feed her 1 scoop 14% sweet feed and 1 scoop of oats twice a day. She is very stubborn with her cribbing. I have the Miracle Collar, but she does it anyways. I have a muzzle, but it rubs under her chin and causes sores. I tried to put foam and fleece around the muzzle, but it rubbed. I put Habenaro Tabasco sauce around her stall, but she liked it so much she had it licked off in less than a hour. I tried Cayan Pepper, but she ate that too. Enjoyed herself while eating it. I have tried everything to stop this, but she must think its funny. I have taken her to the vet and she had her teeth floated along with a full blood panel and a Coggin's. All the tests came back negative and there are no ulcers or worms. Can you please tell me how to put more weight on her and a solution to possibly stop her chewing art designs in her stall. I call her cribbing her artwork. Lol She is kept in a 16 ft by 18 ft stall, has a radio with country music, a ball, and a cone. She has a nightlight as well. She is very spoiled. When I got her she had been starved for 2 years and beaten badly. I thought it might be her metabolism trying to get used to having food, but I have had her for 2 years now. BJ (horse) and I appreciate any help we can get. We thank you for taking time to help. Happy Holidays!
     
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    12-20-2007, 08:35 AM
  #2
Showing
Is she actually cribbing (Windsucking) or just eating wood? Sounds like she could use some turnout. Is she ever let out on pasture/lot to just run around or just kept in the stall?
     
    12-20-2007, 02:58 PM
  #3
Foal
I've got a rescue mare that does the same thing.
If left to her own devices, she'd rather suck air than eat hay.
The only thing that I've found to stop it is a "crib-collar". I suspect that's what you meant by "miricle colar". About all I can say there is that:
There's differences in different brands of them things.
Any of them has gotta be adjusted right or they won't work.
It could be that your's is too loose.

Hope this helps.
DGW
     
    12-20-2007, 03:07 PM
  #4
Foal
And about that feed......

I too, was using 14% swet-feed. The brand I was using happened to have quite a bit of oats mixed in.

I've since switched her over to a 14% pelleted feed which has a 6% fat content and slightly more vitamin-mineral percentage than the sweet-feed had.
I feed mine about 1/2 of what the bag recomemnded but....mine gets pasture grass plus a half-bale of Coastal Hay a day.
I also cut the oats plumb-out. If you ask me, too much of the oats just goes right through them any way.

She's been on the new feed for a bit less than a month.
The difference has been dramatic.

Hope this helps.
DGW
     
    12-21-2007, 01:07 AM
  #5
Foal
Hi! Thank you for replying. She is cribbing, windsucking, and chewing or eating the wood. Although I do not have a pasture, I do let her out in the backyard ( which is 1/3 acre) and all she does is stand in her stall to crib or she stands on the outside and cribs. She will even run out of her stall when I open her gait and then run right back inside her stall to buck and act silly. She is very funny! I know if I was let out I would not stay in my stall, if I was a horse. I have a friend with a barn down the road that I take her to so that I can lunge and ride her in an arena. I make sure she gets exercise because I ride her as an Equine Therapy to help my muscles in my back. It's my physical therapy for my disability. The cribbing collar is as tight as it can be. It's the Miracle Collar. I tried that collar with that metal thing on it, but it pinched her neck and got stuck and she almost collapsed. So I am afraid to use it again. I can't believe the spicy sauce I gave her was like a treat. She must be cajan. Does the paint for cribbing work because I was told it didn't work too well. Do I need to put a hot wire around the top edges of her stall? I would hope that would work. Anyways thank you for all the help. Merry Christmas
     
    12-21-2007, 06:32 AM
  #6
Showing
I think the elect fencing might help I found this on http://www.cvm.uiuc.edu/petcolumns/s...cle.cfm?id=134
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"A cribber is usually an intelligent horse that needs more to do with its life. Cribbing is
Something to do," says Dr. Magid. Sometimes a horse will learn to crib by watching another
Horse do it. It is possible they like the noise. Perhaps they do it for attention. Stalled horses
Typically develop the habit, but a horse may crib on a pasture fence if the pasture is not
Good.

What should a horse owner do about a cribbing horse? "First, have the horse thoroughly
Examined by your veterinarian to see if there is a medical cause," advises Dr. Magid. "Then
Alter the horse's environment to make cribbing inconvenient and to provide alternative
Entertainment." Horses have a difficult time cribbing on objects below knee level, so things
Like feed bunks can be lowered. Metal strips on stall doors and electrical fencing can help
Prevent damage to wood. Some horses enjoy rattling a plastic container with gravel hung in
Their stall. Some horses enjoy big beach balls in their pasture. Sometimes a buddy, such as
A kitten or goat, will keep a horse content. Adding more hay to the diet keeps a horse busy
Eating. "One good solution is to put the horse to work," says Dr. Magid. "Hardworking
Horses don't have much interest in cribbing."
     
    12-21-2007, 06:50 AM
  #7
Showing
Sorry had to google it there is some stuff call "stop cribbing" it sounds like it is a bitter tasting stuff not a hot spicy. Maybe that's what will turn him off. I've never had a horse do it. A couple of mine like to eat the bark off the trees so I may try it to stop that.
     
    12-21-2007, 10:55 AM
  #8
Yearling
If your vet didn't scope your horse then you haven't ruled out ulcers. And cribbing and unthriftiness are both linked to ulcers.
The fact that she is stalled and doesn't have alot of pasture to graze in also increases the likelihood that your mare has ulcers.

How much forage (grass and/or hay) does she get daily? How much and what kind of concentrate feed?

I would highly recommend getting a second opinion on the ulcer issue or trying her on one of the antacids available on the market to see if the cribbing decreases. If it does, then you should treat for ulcers.
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    12-21-2007, 02:33 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I'm not quite sure about the cribbing deal but about the weight gaining..My friend gives horse horse what is called Beet Pulp to me it smells like Oatmeal but the horses love it you have to soak it and let it sit for about 5 mins to let it all soak in and you just mix it in with there grain down where I live its about $12 dollars a bag it keeps going up due to gas prices but if you could find some of it try it out it could possibly help her out alot
     
    12-21-2007, 05:44 PM
  #10
Yearling
Quote:
And cribbing and unthriftiness are both linked to ulcers.
Really... One of my TB, 'windsucks' just after he eats... so is this a sign of ulceration? Or just boredom..??

As for the feed... Have you heard of "Speedi Beat". Its a UK product, and top dressage riders import it (in Australia). You only feed a bit, add water and it swells 6 times the amount... Over in AUS its about $38 for a 20kg bag, but it last forever. Goodluck..
     

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