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    10-25-2012, 07:07 AM
  #21
Green Broke
Corn oil promotes inflammation. So stop that immediately especially since he has a swollen leg. I would recheck his blood levels. Lixtonic or what have you is basically an expensive version of red cell.
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    10-25-2012, 09:59 AM
  #22
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You say 'percheron cross'. Is he gray? If he is, you could be dealing with one of the few horses that had internal spread of malignant melanoma. Check it out.

Anemia can very negatively affect EVERYTHING a horse's body has to do. It MUST be fixed before anything else good can happen.

I would opt for a CBC and a Blood Chemistry panel. You are pretty much 'shooting in the dark' without knowing just what his PCV, red count and white blood cell count (and differential) are or if you have good liver and kidney function, etc. You cannot have very good direction without these values being known.

When we have gotten in very thin (BS 1 or 2) we treat about like you did Vet-wise, but we always feed for muscle gain and anemia.

You can treat for anemia without causing a problem if it does not exist. But, I would guess that this horse is very compromised.

We always use injectable Vitamin B Complex, injectable Liver of and Iron and injectable Vitamin A. We just never inject them. We dose them with the injectable ORALLY by just squirting it in the horse's mouth. I will give 5cc of each one time a week for as long as it take to get the horse going right.

You are trying to put 'meat' on his bones. You want to build muscle. Feeding 'cool calories' and fat cannot put muscle on a horse. You need good quality protein with the essential amino acids. These are the 'building blocks' for growth and for muscle weight gain. Fat can give you a good hair coat and can put fat on a horse. Fat contains only 'empty calories', has no actual nutrients and never changes into red muscle.

I would put him on good grass or winter wheat pasture. If that is not available, then feed him at least half of his hay in alfalfa and limit the amount of grass hay he gets. I would feed no less than 1% of his body weight in alfalfa and no more than 1 1/2% of his body weight in grass hay. Add 1 pound of Soybean meal a day. I have even fed as much as 2 pounds a day to big horses. Obviously you start with a handful. Work it up to a cup of it and keep working up from there gradually. Same with adding alfalfa. Add the soy to a grain product that is safe for drafts. I would mix in a handful or two of sweet feed just to get him to eat it. If he does not eat it, take it away in an hour or so and feed again nest feeding. The Vitamins will make him hungry and taking uneaten feed away will get him on a good eating schedule.

He is stuffing on grass hay because he is protein starved. The huge hay belly is counter productive. I would also start making him exercise a little. Forced movement is not going to kill him and will make everything work better.

I would also get a good loose mineral for him. [This is not the same thing as mineral salt.] He is probably very deficient in Ca, Mg and Zn. These have needed to be corrected in every poor horse we have ever gotten in.
     
    10-25-2012, 04:51 PM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Cherie    

Anemia can very negatively affect EVERYTHING a horse's body has to do. It MUST be fixed before anything else good can happen.
Totally not trying to harp on this but its not the ANEMIA that has to be fixed, it is the underlying cause that has to be fixed. Anemia in and of itself isn't the problem, it is merely a symptom of something bigger which is why just treating anemia with supplements, etc. won't work. I fully agree that without CBC and chemistry, you have no idea what is going on or where to start.
     
    10-25-2012, 11:35 PM
  #24
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The Anemia very much HAS to be fixed. Anemia did not cause the problem, but as long as it persists, this horse's appetite and his weight gain will be minimal. Without a good red blood cell count and good PCV (packed cell volume), this horse will not have the energy or the appetite to feel good enough to eat and gain. The hemoglobin is needed to get Oxygen to the horse's muscles including the smooth muscles of the digestive system and the cardiac muscles.

You can give B Complex shots (or give it orally) along with Liver and Iron and Vitamin A and in a few days a horse will be nickering and pawing and waiting for feed and cleaning up every speck of it instead of listlessly picking at it. I have rehabbed literally dozens of horses with a BC of 1 or 2 (many for a local Vet clinic that referred all of their rehab cases to me when I lived in the Colorado mountains) and they have made leaps and bounds right after giving them a couple round of the Vitamins.

If they were not important, skinny little old ladies with anemia and no appetite would not go to their Doctor every week or two for their Vitamin B shot and take iron pills.
     
    10-26-2012, 06:55 PM
  #25
Foal
Thank you all for the replies.

Drew blood yesterday, did rectal exam, and removed the growth from his eyelid and sent it off. Just a jump-off point.

I will ask about the addition vitamin and iron shots (er, or stuff to give orally) when they call back today. I totally get what you (Cherie and tealamutt) are saying. Thank you both for your input. I feel awful for not insisting on more aggressively treating the low iron instead of going through the lixotinic for a month. I have low iron myself and was told suffering through the iron supplements would help more and more quickly than just using diet alone. Should have been able to see that more clearly.

I hate the waiting...
     

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