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post #11 of 35 Old 11-29-2012, 03:11 PM
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Looks horrible, I wouldn't dream of my horses every being in such a condition.

But there is likely little a rescue will do. With so much overcrowding, they simply will not go get horses who have been fed... because frankly that is more than a lot of horses get these days.

It's horrible, and it's sad, but I don't think you're going to get much help from full to the brim rescues :(
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post #12 of 35 Old 11-29-2012, 03:27 PM
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One rescue accused me of being a pissy teenager looking for something to rant about, and said there is nothing wrong with the horses.
Well, are you?

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post #13 of 35 Old 11-29-2012, 03:35 PM
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Hate to say it.. but I have seen worse (MUCH worse) and have rescued a few and rehabbed/resold the outcome of those rescues.

You probably need to look at the Ag and Markets law with regard to Livestock in your state and locality. Horses are usually considered Livestock under most jurisdictions and all that is required is feed, water and shelter. If the animals have those things and those things are deemed adequate, then you are all done.

IMO most of the horses look to be fed enough food. Most appeared to have clean water. Some could stand farrier work. Most of the shelters looked inadequate (unsafe) IMO for keeping horses. Some of the corral enclosures also looked unsafe for horses (IMO). Some corrals had little manure control but seemed dry.

It is a "self help" stable with space rented. The individual owners are who have to be gone after. You need to read a typical rental arrangement to know who is responsible for maintaining fences or shelters. Again, if it is a triple net rental agreement, the shelters can be the responsibility of the renter.

IOW's it is likely a bit more complex than politics.....

I agree 100% The truth is that animal control has minimum standards. If the animal has adequate food, water and shelter (which most of these do) they can't do much. I agree that some of the feet were bad and the "adequate shelter" needs some help to be safe. Sadly, I have seen a lot lot worse then that. My friend who is the head of AC here always says "I can make them feed the animal, I can make them provide shelter, but I can't make them love them. "

Some of us (all on here, likely) have much higher standards then many others in the animal world. Some do better if they can, some don't know how and some can't afford it. I am a believer in educating people in a polite and kind manner often gets one further then complaints and rude comment. (not saying you did that) Sometimes the road is long and slow but the animal is the one who we should focus on.
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post #14 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 12:37 PM Thread Starter
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I understand this isn't the city's fault that the horses are like this. Either way, the majority of these horses are going without basic needs of the horse. Yes it is the owner's fault, I'm not defending anyone. But if the city could make better guidelines and enforce them then things would be a lot better. Many of these people don't know the first thing about horses, so they don't realize they are harming the horse. That's what needs to change.
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Well, are you?
What is that supposed to mean? Yes I am a teenager, and I am angry about how these horses are treated. But if you can see those pictures, you can see that it isn't for no good reason.

I understand plenty of horses have it worse, but that doesn't mean that these horses deserve what they get. I am only trying to help with what I can. If I could save every abused and neglected horse in the world I would, but that's just not an option.
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The city can't make up and enforce guidelines on a self care place. If it was a city run stable that employed people to work there, then they could come up with hard and fast rules and regs. But it's not, and they can't.

I agree that the shelters are unsafe garbage, but if people are willing to put their horses in them there's nothing anyone can do if AC won't get involved. Didn't you say there was a police officer who boarded his horse there? Why would a sworn officer of the law even consider putting his horse in that dump? That actually amazes me, and not in a good way.

The majority of the horses look to be in good weight, their pens aren't 4 feet high in manure and urine, and except for some obvious physical issues and long feet that need to be addressed, there really isn't anything that AC can do. They're not emaciated, and they have food and water.

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The city can't make up and enforce guidelines on a self care place.

If it was a city run stable that employed people to work there, then they could come up with hard and fast rules and regs. But it's not, and they can't.
It is city run stable and people are employed to work there. I don't see why they can't change the guidelines. They make rules all the time, they just don't enforce them. One of the recent rules was no one is allowed on the property after dark (that started because some drunks stuck a beer bottle up a horse's *ss). They enforced that rule for about a week. They also have guidelines on the shelters, but have never enforced that.
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Also, I have gotten the Humane Society's attention. They said they are going to talk to the State Director, and then file a complaint with the responding officer. I understand a rescue can't do much, but she has been a big help. She is very well known in this area, and she is persistent. She is coming with me on Monday to talk to the city. Believe me, she get's what she wants.
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It is city run stable and people are employed to work there. I don't see why they can't change the guidelines. They make rules all the time, they just don't enforce them.
First you say it's self care, and now you state there are actual people employed there as barn help. Which is it?

Either there are paid people doing the barn work or there aren't. If they're just custodians looking after the property, then they're NOT barn employees.

Anybody can slap a sign up and say, 'These are the rules'. If there isn't anyone with any authority around to actually enforce them, then they're meaningless.

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I am beginning to see why you aren't seeming to make much progress on your crusade - your information is inconsistent at best as you seem to be changing some pretty basic details depending on the question (ie the issue of if it is self-care or city-run with employed caretakers)
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