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post #21 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 12:58 PM
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Now here is a question.. Jalter would like the City to change its regulations and enforce them. OK. How does Jalter expect the city to pay for this enforcement and who will have the authority to enforce? What will be the punishment for non compliance? Who will invoke the punishment for non compliance? How will the more stringent rules be interpreted?

Raise the stall rent to pay for the enforcement sounds like an answer.. until you investigate the competition (cannot over price the stable rent).

Another thought.. IF the city is convinced that closing the facility is in their best interest, what happens to the horses? In the current market I bet more than a few end up at a slaughterhouse. Is that more humane than what they are exposed to in this facility?

I am not saying it is a great place. I am saying that while you are outraged and emotional about this.. you need to set all that aside and get your facts and be able to answer these questions (and others I have posed).

Why am I asking this stuff? Been involved in trying to get a couple of animal abusers brought to justice. It ain't as easy as it would seem.

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post #22 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 01:03 PM Thread Starter
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First you say it's self care, and now you state there are actual people employed there as barn help. Which is it?

Either there are paid people doing the barn work or there aren't. If they're just custodians looking after the property, then they're NOT barn employees.

Anybody can slap a sign up and say, 'These are the rules'. If there isn't anyone with any authority around to actually enforce them, then they're meaningless.
The stables are run by the city. The city hires people to monitor the stables and collect the rent money. Those people have an office at the recreation center. The horses are the owners responsibility. The employees are supposed to make sure that the shelters are safe, the horses are at a good weight, and their other basic needs are taken care of. They drive down here occasionally, but do not do anything about any of the problems. The only think they care about is the rent money.

And that is my point. If I can get them to ENFORCE their guidelines, then most of the problems will be solved. The people who "monitor" the care do not know anything about horses either, so they don't understand how to judge how skinny a horse is, or that overgrown hooves are bad, or a horses need for exercise. I may have high standards, but I'm sure that everyone of you reading this post can agree that my standards aren't unreasonable.
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post #23 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 01:08 PM Thread Starter
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Now here is a question.. Jalter would like the City to change its regulations and enforce them. OK. How does Jalter expect the city to pay for this enforcement and who will have the authority to enforce? What will be the punishment for non compliance? Who will invoke the punishment for non compliance? How will the more stringent rules be interpreted?

Raise the stall rent to pay for the enforcement sounds like an answer.. until you investigate the competition (cannot over price the stable rent).

Another thought.. IF the city is convinced that closing the facility is in their best interest, what happens to the horses? In the current market I bet more than a few end up at a slaughterhouse. Is that more humane than what they are exposed to in this facility?

I am not saying it is a great place. I am saying that while you are outraged and emotional about this.. you need to set all that aside and get your facts and be able to answer these questions (and others I have posed).

Why am I asking this stuff? Been involved in trying to get a couple of animal abusers brought to justice. It ain't as easy as it would seem.
They already pay people to sit on their butts and pretend to do their jobs. May be they can use the same people, but they'll them to address the problems if they want to keep their jobs. Just simple things, like call the owner and tell them that their horse's shelter is a hazard, and they need to fix it. They have the right to evict any of them, so even if they threaten that, people may straighten up.

Also, raising the rent probably won't hurt them. This is the only stable for 200 miles, there is no competition. I have talked to a few rescues, between them all, they have room for about 65 horses. There are about 55 horses in the stables. So if it were shut down, then there are places for the horses to go if the owners couldn't sell them.

And I never said it would be easy. That's probably why no one else has even tried to get anything done. Easy or not, things need to change.
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post #24 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 01:13 PM Thread Starter
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I am beginning to see why you aren't seeming to make much progress on your crusade - your information is inconsistent at best as you seem to be changing some pretty basic details depending on the question (ie the issue of if it is self-care or city-run with employed caretakers)
I'm not being inconsistent. It's a confusing set up, and I've tried to explain it, but no one is understanding. I am making progress though. The Humane Society is understanding what I'm saying.

Ill try to explain this again: The city owns the stables and hires people to monitor it and collect the rent. Those people don't do their job properly. The owners are 100% responsible for their horses, there are no stable hands. The employees are supposed to make sure the horses are getting proper care, but do not know what to look for, therefore, do not do anything about the problems.

Does that make any sense? I don't know how else to explain it. It's not like normal stables. You get a 30x30ft box stall, with nothing but dirt. It is up to the horse owner to build a shelter, and all of that.
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Ill try to explain this again: The city owns the stables and hires people to monitor it and collect the rent. Those people don't do their job properly. The owners are 100% responsible for their horses, there are no stable hands. The employees are supposed to make sure the horses are getting proper care, but do not know what to look for, therefore, do not do anything about the problems.
If the employees do not KNOW what to do or what to look for they need more training, not berating.

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Does that make any sense? I don't know how else to explain it. It's not like normal stables. You get a 30x30ft box stall, with nothing but dirt. It is up to the horse owner to build a shelter, and all of that.
I bolded the part that matters. Each person gets a 30X30 corral and they install a shelter. Triple Net rent agreement and individual owner responsibility.
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post #26 of 35 Old 11-30-2012, 01:55 PM
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What I want to know, is what do you want to be done? Who is going to pay for it? Horses arn't cheap, The condition they are kept might not be to the highest of standards, but at least they are fed, clean water, and have shelter. That is more than most people these days.
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Jalter its up to the horse owners to make sure their horses feet are done and to see to the training of them. The people who collect rent and look over the place that's their job. The horses are being feed and watered so maybe you just need to let it go.
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If you people are intent on trying to make it seem like I'm doing this all for nothing, then why don't you go complain to someone else. What's the point of arguing with me? I am trying to help these horses. The Humane Society agrees that there is something that can be done, so as long as there is that hope, I'm going to continue weather you b*tch at me or not. What more do you want?
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I also have a case like this. A guy has 3+ quarter horses, and 3 minis. There is one mini foal and at least one quarter horse foal. We have called the sheriffs department and they said, they have dealt with this guy before and he is hard to deal with and they probably won't do anything. Those were their exact words. It's really bothering me. The minis rarely have water, and they rarely get hay. They are fed potatoes and lettuce. They are kept in about a 10x10 outdoor pen with no shelter. We live in a small town and our sheriffs just don't care.

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Then let the humane society deal with it but really not one horse is skinny they have food and water.The rescues are full I honestly don't think the humane society will do a thing theres hay and water and horses are being fed. Iv dealt with this stuff before unless the horses have no food and water the humane society does NOTHING. Yeah the shelters a horrid but at least they have shelter. You can't save them all your just going to have to face that fact. If I rescued every horse I saw that was negelected id have over 200 horses right now. I just take the best care of the ones I own and try to keep them till they die.
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