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    11-17-2013, 01:06 AM
  #11
Yearling
How's his canter?

Any problems with riding over the last year or so? Stiffness to one side, not extending, bucking?

I looked back at his April 2012 video with him galloping around the outdoor arena and he looks strange there too. Like he is running with both hind legs together. He is cross cantering a bit too.

I have a mare who cannot canter- I don't have a diagnosis. She knows where her feet are (can trot raised poles just fine). She falls to pieces at the canter. Bucking, cross cantering. Just uncomfortable. If you try cantering over poles she smashes them. Her joints look great on X rays. The vet thinks it is her pelvis (or maybe her spine?). She is not lame at the trot. She has muscle wasting over her back in the loin area only.

If you can afford it, get a nuclear scan. It is over $1000 depending on how much of the horse you want to do. Should light up if you have any problems in the bones (and should show if the spine is the problem). That is what my vet recommends next. Probably won't show lesions on the spinal cord- you need an MRI for that. A few places have horse sized MRI's...

This could be neuromuscular instead of neurological... I have a problem with my legs collapsing on me randomly- both legs are affected but usually only one leg collapses at a time. All testing has been normal, no nerve damage has been detected... The doctors are stumped. Could be a muscle problem...

Nerve damage is usually consistent or gradually gets either better or worse. If he dramatically changes from day to day, my guess would be it is a muscle problem or something else.

Can you retire him?
     
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    11-17-2013, 01:33 AM
  #12
Green Broke
I do see some oddness in your more recent video. Stiffness and awkward steps, it almost seems more physical then "mental" but idk. So no, you are not over analyzing. He seems happy and willing to do what you want (you obviously have a strong bond) but while he seems to back easily it does not seem comfortable for him. Sorry I can't be of help, just my observations.
     
    11-17-2013, 05:12 AM
  #13
Foal
Thank you for your replies, it's good to have perspective. In regards to his canter, he has always had lovely movement. In the video you are referring to, he was very hot after not being worked on his regular schedule after having his shoes pulled. He was a bit pent up and needed to run :) I am sorry about your mare, I hope you get it resolved. I will mention a bone scan to my vet during his reevaluation. I have been thinking about his 'good' days and 'bad' days. He has definitely not gotten worse over time. He seems to have stabilized, I just don't know if his 'bad' days are ones that I ask him to do things he can not accommodate to. For example, he gets used to his pasture and can move along fine. If I take him out on uneven, unfamiliar ground it seems he has difficulty. I don't know, does that make sense?
     
    11-17-2013, 05:35 AM
  #14
Super Moderator
Has he been tested for Cauda Equina?

This is a specialist test. CE causes a paralysis starting in the hind end. Is his tail flaccid?
     
    11-17-2013, 12:37 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
cannot see the videos, unfortunately. Has he been tested for PSSM/EPSM?
That's where I was heading. Most of it does not add up to EPSM but it's another angle that most vets would not thing of. It's a cheap hair test (does not need to be a muscle biopsy anymore) and changing his diet is not going to cost you anymore than what he eats now. Yes, it's a bigger pain in the butt but it's another "tool" in figuring this out.

His stance is telling you something. I can't help there but it's significant if it's a new way. He's relieving pressure or discomfort from one area. Educated guess would be his back as it looks rounded and the way his hind legs are supporting him. Is the length of his stride the same or shorter? I'm also having troubling downloading the video (my end) so I can't comment of his way of going. Take a picture of him squared up from behind.

I've had good results with acupuncture on a horse that had a pinched nerve in his neck. It mostly showed up with his hind end. Initially, he bunny hopped when cantering, stabbed at the ground with his hinds like he didn't know where the ground was, short strided on one side (still is slightly), excessive body movement (not fluid forward energy) and a few other not quite right symptoms. You aren't over thinking this. You are picking up on subtle changes that are adding up to the big picture. Everything you are observing is part of it.

You probably have some great performance vets around you but I'd put a call into Davis and try to get at least a phone consultation if you don't come up with some answers soon.
     
    11-17-2013, 02:07 PM
  #16
Foal
Thanks for the replies. You have to copy and past the link into a different tab for it to load, I am not sure why. He has not been tested for EPSM but I will bring it up to my vet. I have considered taking him to Davis for a new perspective, I would like him to get through his current amount of Previcox and then take him so they can see him off of it. Trailering him with his stability has been a concern and Davis is several hours from us. Steinbeck is 30 minutes, so it just makes sense, but I think I will still call Davis for a consultation.
     
    11-17-2013, 02:18 PM
  #17
Green Broke
I can give some perspective on the acupuncture. My boy suffered brain damage last November. As a result, his head tilts to the left. Both my vets thought acupuncture would be good for him, and they were right! The acupuncture gives him a normal head carriage and overall makes him a million times more comfortable. I don't know if it would do the same for your boy, but it would be worth a shot.
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    11-17-2013, 02:46 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Videos didn't work for me.

Just wanted to say you have a GORGEOUS horse there. Hope you find some answers.
     
    11-17-2013, 03:29 PM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by Platinumhotrodder    
Thanks for the replies. You have to copy and past the link into a different tab for it to load, I am not sure why. He has not been tested for EPSM but I will bring it up to my vet. I have considered taking him to Davis for a new perspective, I would like him to get through his current amount of Previcox and then take him so they can see him off of it. Trailering him with his stability has been a concern and Davis is several hours from us. Steinbeck is 30 minutes, so it just makes sense, but I think I will still call Davis for a consultation.
There is a member here,Oldhorselady, who has a journal here about here EPSM horse."Snickers, the noodle- legged pinto". She has tons of videos, before, during and after diet change. I don't think it would hurt to go and watch some, to see if there are similarities.
     
    11-17-2013, 04:01 PM
  #20
Foal
I should mention that last week we did begin changing his feed over to a low starch diet. We chose Purina's well solve to help maintain his weight but also to reduce his sugar intake. Here is the link: Purina Horse Feeds - WELLSOLVE
It is a complete feed with added supplements which support tissue repair. It also has a daily dose of biotin which will continue to help with transitioning to bare feet. He has always had a biotin supplement but now its all in one. I am interested to see if this will do anything. I also read an article months ago that young horses and their growth plates can be impacted by their protein intake. My vet did not seem to think that was his case and felt that his feed was appropriate. He has always been on LMF Developmental G, or Omolene 200.
     

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