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    09-23-2012, 02:12 AM
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Green Broke
Neurological, heart, or something else?

Forewarning.....THIS IS NOT MY HORSE. This is a horse at the ranch that I help to take care of. I have NO control over her medical other than to give opinions help to the owner who is very new to horses. I am ONLY putting this out to see if anybody has experience or ideas on what could help as well.


After the parade today on the way home, we got a call from one of the boarders who was hysterical saying her horse had collapsed. We immediately told her to call the vet out and we would be there in 5 ish minutes.

The mare has a heart murmur, she has a broken back, is lame in all 4 feet and probably her hips, and has small seizures every few days, where she will get very unbalanced and will fall to her knees before catching herself.

Apparetly her mare had seen her coming with her grain bucket...got really excited and then just collapsed. She started screaming (horse) and her legs were stuck straight out in front of her. She said that the mare had tried to get up but she couldnt get her legs underneath to push up and got her head stuck under her feed bin for a min.

By the time we got there Athena Eddie and Armywife were already back and in the stall with the mare.

She was curled up (no longer flat) and according to army wife her pulse was 46 and respiration was I don't remember haha but fast...

I went in and helped Armywife brace her back up (if we didnt brace her up she would fall back on her side, her legs would stick out straight again and she would start groaning and have big breathing problems like before)

The vet got there right after, gave her a shot of Bute (he said 4 grams I think?? Either 4 or 6. I don't remember I was distracted holding the mare up.)

We let her lay for a few minutes and then tried to get her up. She got her front up but then lost balance and almost came down on me and Armywife.

So we backed out of the way and the farrier and vet (both big guys) got ropes on her legs and turned her over to her other side....
After a minute she was able to stand up but was VERY unbalanced and she hadnt tried to walk about 20 min. Afterwards. And she stood there shaking her head every 10 seconds or so.

We talked to the vet about it, and he thinks that its a neurological problem.

Another thing is, she ALWAYS falls to her left. She has cuts and scrapes on her legs and face and is very very lame on her left.

The vet also thinks it could be sleep dep. Since she has such a hard time getting up because of the pain and what not he thinks that she isnt laying down at all to sleep (quite possible nobody has seen her lay down in awhile)
So basically he told the owner to up the bute to 3 grams a day to see if some of the pain relief will entice her to lay down and rest.

So without people immediately jumping on my case saying OVER AND OVER...."the mare should be put down!"
Know that I already see this. I think her quality of life is getting steadily worse but it is not my decision.

We ALREADY brought it up to the vet, and he basically said that the mare is eating, she recovers fairly quickly from it...and all he can do right now is reccommend bute....not to have any children near (in case she collapses again) and if it happens again or becomes a frequent accurance then he will reccommend euthanasia but as of now he does not think it nesseccary.


So if there is any helpful advice, experience home remedies whatever that can help this mare please share.

And thanks
     
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    09-23-2012, 02:14 AM
  #2
Green Broke
Oh P.S. Sorry if this is just one giant ramble and non of it makes sense...ive had 3 hours of sleep in the last 3 days after a 5 mile parade, dealing with a dying horse and my car breaking down. So im stinkin tired!
     
    09-23-2012, 11:37 AM
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Super Moderator
Why are we even talking about this poor thing. She needs to be put down ASAP.
Put these precious resources into horses with a future and let this poor thing go on to a better place.
JMHO
     
    09-23-2012, 11:47 AM
  #4
Weanling
Yeah I agree with cherie (sorry, I know you know this already). Has the horse been tested for HYPP??
     
    09-23-2012, 11:52 AM
  #5
Trained
I agree too. I don't think this horse had a very good quality of life BEFORE this episode. If it was my friend, I would be encouraging them to see this as a wake-up call. The horse is giving up, and should be allowed to die with dignity.

It could have been anything. Heart attack, HYPP attack, stroke, aneurysm, you name it. Personally, I think it sounds very similar to a friend's experience where her senior citizen horse had a stroke. Especially with the one-sidedness.
     
    09-23-2012, 11:52 AM
  #6
Yearling
I agree with Cherie, it isn't up to the vet to decide when she gets put down if you could show the owners how terrible her quality of life is they might take mercy on her and get her put down, poor girly.
     
    09-23-2012, 11:57 AM
  #7
Showing
Has the owner considered the pain the mare causes herself every time she goes down? Not fair to the horse.
     
    09-23-2012, 12:19 PM
  #8
Banned
I realize that it's not your horse or your decision, however this horse needs to be put to sleep.

I am appalled that the vet is not recommending this. It sounds like they are wanting to line their pockets some more before the final decision is made.

As that's out of your control, I would look at the things that are within your control. NEVER use this vet.
I also probably wouldn't help this owner either, as by doing so you are condoning her decision.
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    09-24-2012, 02:56 PM
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Green Broke
Vet choice isnt in my control either AlexS.

Theres only 2 vets on island and he's one of the two that the Rescue uses.


She was tested for both HYPP and PSSM and was negative for both.

Were all trying to show her how bad off the mare is. But with the vet telling her to just up the bute and its just "sleep dep" she doesnt think its as serious as it really is. Because her mare does have good days. There are days for her where you can't tell she has these problems.


I and everybody else is aware the mare needs to be put down. But were all just volunteers so we have no control over her decision.

I hadnt thought of a stroke. It actually sounds spot on and maybe I can bring it up to her when I go out today.

I also get where you're coming from AlexS that I maybe shouldnt even be helping her...but its a desicion between seeing this mare constantly having problems and the owner not really helping, and the vet not helping, therefore seeing this mare deteriorate more and more with no help

Or trying to find SOMETHING that will at least have this mare more comfortable until we convince the owner that its time.

Its just a really messed up situation all around.

And the thing is, yesterday when I went out, you couldnt even tell the mare had been dying the day before. Now maybe its from getting 7+ grams of bute the day before. But she was alert, steady on her feet, energetic and I don't know how else to explain it but Happy. So I can see how the owner maybe doesnt think its too bad. I don't always get the opportunity to see this mare throughout the week so I have no idea how she is except when I usually see her on the weekends.



Thanks yall for any help.
     

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