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        12-28-2013, 01:40 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Well I don't know what other issues there may be, or what CTJ means, so I'll leave that possibility out of it & just say that Omolene is a high energy, (very) high NSC sweetfeed. Effectively junk food. So yes, the feed could be affecting behaviour. Also not feeding little & often, starting with 4 cups per feed rather than one & building up to it, especially with high starch stuff can cause gut problems & discomfort which can cause behavioural probs/changes.

    If you need to hardfeed your horse for added calories or such, you need to feed over at least a couple of small feeds daily, and if you're feeding only for nutritional balance, you're better off feeding a quality low dose, low NSC 'ration balancer' type product appropriate for your horse's diet. Oh & still feed it daily at least, if at all possible.
    I think it's Come To Jesus (meeting)
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        12-28-2013, 01:41 AM
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    how long have you had him?
    I , too, wondered if he was just seeing that he could buffalo you with some behavior, but some of what you describe could be him in pain. Does he react to being cinched up, or get a sour look when the blanket or saddle come toward him? Pain could be making him grumpy about being lunged at any speed, and reactive under saddle, too.

    Is he at all sensitive to any pressure on his flanks, or belly? Poops are normal?
    His poop was a little more runny that normal (a slightly less than circle-filled piles) but he was just wormed and I've noticed they tend to have interesting stool after worming.

    He did not seem in pain at all. Didn't mind the saddle or cinch. I've had him four months now.
        12-28-2013, 01:49 AM
    Green Broke
    Honestly, I don't think you can know any horse "too well" in 4 months. To me, that is a "new horse" and you are still figuring each other out and training methods too.

    I think the issue isn't 4 cups. The issue is feeding once three times a week. You should feed 2+ times per day, every day.
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        12-28-2013, 01:53 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by BridlesandBowties    
    Hmm...that would make sense. The only reason I threw out the bad training is the fact I know him too well for it to just be a training problem.

    I feel like such a feed-idiot hehe. The store I got the food from said start at four. I guess I should've done a bit more research.

    If I where to switch to ration balancer, what would you suggest?
    No one said you had "bad training", no training technique is perfect, we were just suggesting maybe there were some holes, and that he is getting away with things. Not trying to put down your skills or methods, just make sure all the bases are covered.

    Originally Posted by BridlesandBowties    
    These are only the main things I have noticed. All together he has been very high strung and almost a bit aggressive especially towards heard members. I have heard its possible for high fat food to make a horses temperament a bit higher, and I thought it was a pretty good sign as these things started happening a week after I started the new feed.

    To note, I have never had any of my horses on anything but hay and pasture. But he needs to gain a bit of weight so I was trying adding feed.
    What do you mean by this?

    ETA- if you want him on feed to gain weight I would not swap to a ration balancer, that is for nutrients without gaining weight.
        12-28-2013, 02:03 AM
    IMO, he is challenging you( and obviously his herd mates), because he's feeling his oats, so to speak. I've had TB's who couldn't as much as see oats and they would go bonkers.
    Ditch the Omolene, get him some alfalfa or timothy pellets, soak them, add a vit/ min supplement or ration balancer, and add some rice bran if he needs to gain weight. Give him a week, maybe 10 days, to come to his senses. If you don't see a change, it is a training issue and needs to be addressed.
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        12-28-2013, 02:04 AM
    Oops, double post, sorry..
        12-28-2013, 02:06 AM
    Green Broke
    My first choice would be beet pulp.
        12-28-2013, 03:19 AM
    I'd agree with a lot of what has already been said here. Especially that no one really "knows" a horse in 4 months. In four months what you know is the old owner and training, eventually you come to find the horse YOU own. The feed may have only helped to juice up what was already coming. He sounds like a really great horse and that he's had some nice training but, he's testing you. He's no doubt feeling more comfortable in his new digs and if you've been "fattening" him up then he's going to be feeling more confident as well.

    We had a new horse join our herd in October. He was a nervous and timid little thing, did nothing but pace up and down the whole time he was in quarentine. When he finally got with the herd he was shunned and kicked out like trash. Now just a few months later, after a thorough worming, a healthy diet and learning he's safe to be himself, he's got the whole herd following his orders like a **** drill seargent! That doesn't look anything like the horse I started with but that IS the horse I own.
    Do consider the feed and any possible pain/health issues but, for the love of Pete, forget about the horse you bought and look at the horse you actually own, because that's the one that's pinning his ears and giving you the butt spin move.
        12-28-2013, 03:39 AM
    Green Broke
    ^^ This.
        12-28-2013, 03:47 AM
    Originally Posted by Yogiwick    
    IF you are sure it's not a training issue, I will repeat what I said earlier. The only behavioral issue (generally speaking) that a feed will cause is making the horse hotter.
    While that's possibly the most common, disagree thoroughly that it's the only, by far. Magnesium deficiency/imbalance is commonly noticed to affect behaviour - why it's a common ingredient in 'calming supps' - and excess potassium can make them hyper (just realised pun on HYPP Funny funny!), for 2 egs.

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