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        12-28-2013, 03:54 AM
      #21
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    Heh, interesting pun. But yes, I wrote that then realized how it sounded and couldn't figure out a better way to write it lol.

    I do think things like magnesium are more "overall" feed (hay+ pellets+ grain, etc) than say, just grain.
         
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        12-28-2013, 03:56 AM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by BridlesandBowties    
    If I where to switch to ration balancer, what would you suggest?
    Don't know because I don't know your area, the feed/grass he's on, etc.

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    high fat food to make a horses temperament a bit higher,
    Calories=energy. Extra calories than needed = extra energy.

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    I think it's Come To Jesus (meeting)
    So it's a peace, love & mungbeans' kind of thing??

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    I think the issue isn't 4 cups. The issue is feeding once three times a week. You should feed 2+ times per day, every day.
    Agreed, tho I wouldn't have started on 4. Ulcers & acidosis can make them crabby... another behaviour problem due to feed type too.
         
        12-28-2013, 05:22 AM
      #23
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Yogiwick    
    I do think things like magnesium are more "overall" feed (hay+ pellets+ grain, etc) than say, just grain.
    Have no idea what you mean by that??
         
        12-28-2013, 07:13 AM
      #24
    Green Broke
    A CTJ meeting is NOT about peace, love-it means Horse-I want you to think you are about to Die!
         
        12-28-2013, 07:59 AM
      #25
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    So I would change a lot.
    Omelene is not the food for him, nor is the feeding schedule.
    I would consider that he may well have an ulcer and the feed is making him feel like crap.
    I would offer him loose minerals and feed him molasses free beat pulp soaked twice daily, with a cup of calf manna- which I personally would add a handful of black sunflower seeds in- but that's what I do. My horse always gets magnesium too- it's a helpful supplement.
    I would make sure he has hay in front of him at all times and then move on to training.
    Change your routine with him. Don't worry about riding, worry about ground manners and consistency.
    This is just my plan I would use. It's one that works for me.
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        12-28-2013, 08:21 AM
      #26
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    I didn't read all of the answers, but Yes! Some horses cannot stand prosperity. They get silly or more difficult to handle. More feed (especially hot feed) also exacerbates any small holes in a horse's training and turns them into huge holes.

    We used to tell people not to feed their horse like a race horse if they don't want him to act like a race horse. Feeding Red Cell and other blood builders can do the same thing. About half of the Vitamin / Mineral supplements are formulated to build a blood count. People hauling a show horse or barrel horse hard need a supplement like these while saddle horses and most show horses in training surly don't.
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        12-28-2013, 08:28 AM
      #27
    Showing
    Right now, all your horse needs is fiber in the form of hay or grass and it should be available 24/7. This is what the horse's gut was designed for. If you ride him hard enough and often enough and he begins to lose a little weight or seems to lack energy, that is when you add grain, starting with a cup once daily for a week then upping to two cups (doing it gradually). Ration Balancer does not balance the ration - it's just a catchy name. Don't dismiss whole oats. They are a pretty safe feed unless the horse is IR and I doubt your's is. They are cheap, horses love them and provide more protein than hay. And nothing else will heal hind gut ulcers except oats. Whole oats are best as the husk provides fiber. My horses get a small marg. Tub of oats mixed with about 30% alfalfa pellets once daily. They are in good fat winter weight and energetic. The pellets slows down how fast they eat the oats. Their coats are glossy and both have dapples. Their hay is timothy. They get plenty of loose salt which they seem to need a lot of when on hay.
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        12-28-2013, 08:47 AM
      #28
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    I think its called lack of respect horse has figured out he can bufflo you. I have fed oats and sweet feed never have had problems with behaviour.

    And only feeding it 3 or 4 times. A. Week isn't going to do a thing for weight gain its called feed more hay and lots of hay. Forget the grain most horses don't need it. Get your hay tested and then get a vit min to make up for what lacks.

    Hay hay and more hay simple no spending money on all kinds of unneeded stuff.
         
        12-28-2013, 10:48 AM
      #29
    Yearling
    Feeding a high energy feed sporadically is going to do a number on his gut and his temperament. Think hungry toddler and you give him a chocolate bar. Fills his tummy for the moment, his blood sugar swings up and he gets hyper. Very quickly that energy is used up and he is back to being hungry and crabby.

    There are lots and lots of good different feeds out there. The best are low starch and carb with lots of fiber. Not feeding 2x a day, everyday is setting yourself up for problems. Even more ideally is feeding 3 or 4 times a day but horses do fine with 2 feedings. Their stomachs are very small for an animal of that size. They can't handle having big sweet meals dumped on them.
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        12-28-2013, 11:22 AM
      #30
    Trained
    Here's how I feed my horses, and I have Arabians who are generally thought to be nuts anyhow. They're not but that's a whole 'nuther topic. They DO tend to be HOT HOT HOT, but a hot horse can be a controllable horse.

    They have a round bale (or 3) out in the pasture 24/7, grass only. In morning and evening I bring them in and feed either Strategy GX or Strategy Healthy Edge, depending on age. If a horse needs weight, I add either Ultium Compete or Amplify nuggets. I don't feed any other supplements, except plain stock salt, 1 oz per day in winter. They have fresh, clean water 24/7. If they have to be stalled, I also feed grass hay in the barn.

    When I say more training and a CTJ, Come to Jesus, is needed I'm talking about how he's been building his disrespect. And no, CTJ is NOT about Peace, Love and Unicorn Fa*ts. They come down to the water and depending on their attitude may get a full immersion baptism by fire and they WILL come up singing, "Glory Hallelujah". Or we'll do it til they do.

    Disrespect = dancing or antsy to be mounted, then builds to spinning, then has to have an outside person hold while mounting.

    Disrespect = shaking head, pinning ears and now doing all that when you're on board to the point "he was uncontrollable" and you got off.

    When I work my horses, the first time they try to get away with something I correct it, nicely if they'll let me but if they want to persist in the bad behaviour I can escalate the correction. I don't mean beating the horse to death, I up the work required until they are paying attention to me and listening. If your horse is being so disrespectful in the round pen while free lunging, then put him on a long line of about 25 ft and work him on that until he's got his brain back. If he's antsy about being mounted, then put him in a situation where he HAS to stand until he gets it. He's winning and taking over by you letting these small disrespectful things escalate until now, you have a very large problem.

    I don't feed Omolene but even so, 4 C. 3X/week? It really shouldn't be enough to cause this kind of problem. But in case, if you think he's got ulcers, have him scoped and rule it out. Rule out pain from an ill fitting saddle or tooth pain from the bit. Take away all of the excuses you've given him for his behaviour and see what's left. Then understand that now you've got a real problem on your hands and work through it on the ground at first, and then once he's respecting you on the ground, you can try to start ironing out the issues from mounting and in the saddle. But you or someone you take him to, is going to have to get on and have these issues and ride them out. Getting off teaches him how to get out of work.
         

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