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post #11 of 26 Old 01-27-2009, 01:16 PM
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In Canada look for Agri Brands Purina's Equalizer.... The Phase feeds offer all phase, there is also one called All STep

In Canada there is a product, Life Brands. It's 100% forage based. Called All Phase or All Phase Lite. We feed this to a founder prone pony, it offers all the nutrients required with little to no starch and sugar's. That and the best hay you can afford will offer a balanced diet.
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post #12 of 26 Old 01-27-2009, 02:30 PM
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Oats are hardly a natural feed. Horses weren't designed to eat grains.

At least ration balancers are by an large forage based--alfalfa or beet pulp--which is a better choice than an all grain (non-natural and harder for a horse to digest) diet.
How is 1-3 lbs of oats a day an "all grain diet"? That's about 3-10% of a 1,000 lb horses' total diet. Oats are much better than a feed product containing molasses, corn, grain by products, egg product, or whey, IMO. Horse ARE made to digest a number of "natural" things they chew on in the wild, such as roots, tree bark, berries, fruits, leaves of all kind, etc. Oats certainly falls within that genre. And 1-3 lbs certainly isn't enough to be considerable to a horse's diet, except in the minor nutrients it can provide and some added fiber.

Even so, if you don't like oats, then feed alfalfa pellets. Whatever! Just something to mix with their vitamin supplement.

I feed 1.5 lbs of whole oats, 1.5 lbs of alfalfa pellets, and a vitamin supplement. I add some milled flax as well. I use a little water to make it all stick together. The horses get 25-30 lbs of quality bermuda hay a day, spread out between three feedings.
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L2R have you read the tag on your pellets most alfalfa pellets use molasses as a binder :)

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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Mine don't! I make a point of never buying alfalfa pellets with molasses or animal fat as the binding agent. Mine use rice bran as the binding agent. They're more expensive, but well worth it. And my horses seem to like them better too.

The only two ingredients on my feed tag: Pre-Bloom Alfalfa and Rice Bran.
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So I am now slightly confused. I can see theirs a dispute about by products and what not in feeds. To be honest I just want I guess a kind of list of affordable yet tried tested and true feeds that will keep up with a horses nutritional needs but without the added effects of excess energy?

Could someone go into more detail as to why exactly the product they listed is effective? And what kind of stores (TSC, FS, CO-OP's etc) sell it? Ps. I live in canada

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I go ceral grain free meaning no corn, barley or oats those are the ingredients that tend to cause extra energy :)

I have not used any of the Canadian products being in IL but I do use Kent's Horsego32 which is simalar to the Agribrand Purina's Equalizer, All Phase or All Phase Lite, oh man there is one more up there I would use and I can't think of the name of it......

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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I like using a vitamin supplement along with oats or hay pellets (or a combination of both). This allows you to increase or decrease the amount of bulk without effecting overall nutrition. Use a bit of water to make the supplement stick if your horse sifts out powdered supplemets.

I don't know what's available in Canada for supplements, but be sure to look for something that is developed for horses getting little to no fortified grain; a supplement that has a broad spectrum of nutrients.
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Could someone go into more detail as to why exactly the product they listed is effective? And what kind of stores (TSC, FS, CO-OP's etc) sell it? Ps. I live in canada
If you have a Co-Op near, you can't go wrong. If you ask for the feed store manager they will be able help you make an appropriate choice. The Co-Op also will have a book at the front counter which lists everything in their feeds.

The problem with some of the brand name recommendations you will get here is that most of these products are not available in Canada. You guy's in the USA have far more choices than we do.

As I said before and Peggysue has also listed, the Life Line products which include the All Phase and All Phase Lite are an excellent product. Low sugar, low starch, forage based( read: no spunk!) LOL, but when feed as per the bag recommendation will supply everything your horse needs for nutrients.

Proform Step line is another good product. You can choose the appropriate Step number 1-5 depending on what your horse needs and his activity level.

Also, if your in Ontario you have one of the best lines of feed available, Ontario De-Hy. We feed the Timothy Balance cubes to our 30+ pony with no teeth. You can google them for a complete list of their products.
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I'm in Ontario too. Masterfeeds also makes a Ration Balancer. It's called VTM 20. You only need to feed a couple of pounds a day and your horse will get all the nutrients he needs. If he is a hard keeper you can supplement with soaked beet pulp as well...just mix in with the Ration Balancer. Much better for him than sweet feed.
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I'm in Ontario too. Masterfeeds also makes a Ration Balancer. It's called VTM 20. You only need to feed a couple of pounds a day and your horse will get all the nutrients he needs. If he is a hard keeper you can supplement with soaked beet pulp as well...just mix in with the Ration Balancer. Much better for him than sweet feed.
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Lifeline "Original" All Phase and All Phase "Lite" Ration Balancers
All Phase Ration Balancers are designed as low intake feeds that can be used to balance a diet for horses that are being fed unfortified grains. (eg. C.O.B. Or Oats) They can also be used for horses that are overweight and horses that require a low energy feed while still meeting all the other nutritional requirements. Both "Original" All Phase and All Phase "Lite" provide all the mineral and vitamin requirements when fed as directed. "Original" All Phase has a higher protein for horses that are on lower protein forages. All Phase "Lite" has 1/2 the protein of the original and is designed for those horses being fed higher protein forages.
Feed at a rate of 0.15-0.3kgs per 100kgs of body weight depending on body condition and level of activity. See Tag for specific information.



Hope that helps!!

I have been called the NSC Nazi more then once ... I hate traditional feed methods of loading our horses up on grains and junk food :)
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