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post #1 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
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oh no BOTS!

grrrr my horse has bots and its the first time he has ever had them...I've heard different method of getting rid of them, I just wormed him with the "nivertin"? Wormer with boticide in it and was thinking about scraping the larvae off with a "bot block" and was just wondering if anyone has had success with any other methods, and how long it has taken you to get rid of them? Thanks so much!
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post #2 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 10:44 AM
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my horses COVERED in them two years ago. I wormed him regularly and just gave him time off and he was back and ready to run in about 3 months.
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post #3 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 12:43 PM
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Nivertin? Do you mean Ivermectin?

I find a bot knife works better than a bot stone, but neither works very well. You can also shave them off. Or just leave them. How it works is that the horse bends down to scratch his legs and accidently ingests some of the eggs. They then hatch in his gut, develop into larvae, and are eventually passed in the feces to grow into adults and repeat the cycle. There's no way you're going to rid your horse of every last bot egg, so I don't even bother trying. Just keep a good handle on your deworming protocol, and you're good to go.
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post #4 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 04:08 PM
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Nivertin? Do you mean Ivermectin?

There's no way you're going to rid your horse of every last bot egg, so I don't even bother trying. Just keep a good handle on your deworming protocol, and you're good to go.
You can get rid of all the bot eggs but it requires pain stakingly going over the horse every single evening. I do that with four horses, sometimes they don't get brushed because I am too tired bending up/down, up/down, up/down at night and then again in the morning to get the ones I didn't see the night before.

There are also nose and throat bot flies that lay eggs in those areas. THOSE eggs will self-migrate into the mouth, burrow and when they've reached a certain stage will migrate themselves into the stomach.

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/LM-10-3.pdf

A person has to pull the cheek hair backward to find the throat bot eggs. It can be near-impossible to cut, scrape, or pull them off, so I smother the ones I can't get off with some kind of ointment. Vaseline, A&D, antibiotic ointment - anything to smother them.

I am amazed at the amount of folks, on all these forums, who "love their babies" but often take such a ho-hum attitude about removing bot eggs and ticks
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post #5 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 04:31 PM
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Are these bots located in certain parts of the country or can they be found anywhere?

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post #6 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 04:36 PM
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You can try and use a steel louse/egg comb for removing lice. Ewwww.
I spray them goooood with fly spray too. NS if the pymethrin (sp) in the
Spray kills them, anyone know?
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post #7 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 05:14 PM
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Are these bots located in certain parts of the country or can they be found anywhere?
As far as the regular bot flies, I have found them on my horses from PA to SoCal and now in Tennessee. I grew up in NE Ohio and was picking bot eggs off my horses back in the 60's, so they've been around forever.

I don't know about the throat bots. The .edu website I posted is from Hawaii. I now live in Middle Tennessee and I never saw them until I moved here.

Putting warm water on bot eggs will trick them into thinking the horse is licking them, so their a bit easier to get off until the water cools down.

Someone on one of the forums said they rubbed their horses' legs with mineral oil and that kept the bots from laying eggs but the legs gathered layers of dirt every day that needed cleaned off.

Fly spray generally doesn't work because bot flies don't land on the horse. They literally shoot the eggs out of their tailshaft onto the horse - yuk.

For me, it seems like every other day the horses come in loaded with eggs and the temps can be the close to the same on both days. I don't get that, but it seems to be pretty much the routine.

It's a lot of work no matter what we try
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I was asking if fly spray was applied directly to the eggs, would it kill them?
Not spray to deter the bot flies, I know those suckers don't even land! I go
Crazy when I spot em though and squish em against the horse when I can!!
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I was asking if fly spray was applied directly to the eggs, would it kill them?
Not spray to deter the bot flies, I know those suckers don't even land! I go
Crazy when I spot em though and squish em against the horse when I can!!
Oops sorry

That's a good question but, keep in mind, the sticky stuff they are attached to the horse with, itcesh the horse and that's why the horse starts licking in the first place. I wouldn't want to load the eggs up with fly spray and then have the horse lick them and the fly spray.

Once they've been stuck to the horse I don't know if anything would suffocate them to the point of dying. I will slather the throat bots with vaseline, etc. because it stops them from migrating to the horse's mouth.

If you have the time and energy, you might try slathering their legs with mineral oil and see how that works. Knowing they'd be coming in at night with their legs layered in dirt but that might be easier to keep up with if it keeps the bot eggs from sticking on their legs.
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post #10 of 18 Old 10-23-2011, 10:16 PM
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I am amazed at the amount of folks, on all these forums, who "love their babies" but often take such a ho-hum attitude about removing bot eggs and ticks
Really? Because fecal tests and general horse health and condition would seem to verify that leaving the eggs but deworming judiciously is absolutely adequate....
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