This One Has Me Stumped - The Horse Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 07:45 AM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,655
• Horses: 10
This One Has Me Stumped

I'm putting this in health as I am a little concerned that this could be a muscle issue.

My fiance's horse Trojan has an interesting little quirk. He is an 8 year old Standardbred gelding.

All of my horses are fed from feed buckets on the ground. Trojan seems to have balancing issues with eating from his bucket. The muscles in his front legs all quiver & sometimes it appears that they give out from under him. I noticed it, first, last summer while feeding, but it was basically just the occasional quiver. It appears to have become much worse since then.

He grazes without a problem. It really only happens when he is eating from his feed bucket.

I took a couple of videos this evening to post to see whether anybody here might have some idea as to what is causing this. If there is any other information that I have left out, please ask, as I really am starting to worry.



Flirt-Hugo-Phoenix-Romance-Fanta-Nippa-Shiloh
Trojan 09.11.02 - 26.10.10 // Kody 01.09.89-25.06.12 // Rex 05.11.95-21.12.12
HowClever is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:09 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,908
• Horses: 3
I'm not an expert on this but a lady at my shows has a horse that does this. Her legs are all wobbly when she eats hay and feed(she feeds on the ground also) from what her vet said its called being over at the knee but it's also been called goat knee. Like I said I'm not an expert and maybe someone else with more experience can help you out a bit more.....my advice if you feel like he's okay wait till the vet comes out next and ask him, but if (you said you think sometimes his legs might come out from under him)you feel it could harm him call the vet out as soon as you can. Could he also possibly have weaker muscles in his front legs?

~ Hope is never light years away ~
Phantomcolt18 is offline  
post #3 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:14 AM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,655
• Horses: 10
Hmmm, I'm gonna have a hunt & see if I have a decent conformation photo of him so you can see the way he is built to see if that may have some influence. I have heard about "over at the knee" but haven't noticed it in him before, but will check properly.

I have wondered whether maybe the muscles in his front legs were weaker, but then thought wouldn't he do it even when grazing then? I have also wondered if maybe he has only ever been fed from a fence feeder or something.

Flirt-Hugo-Phoenix-Romance-Fanta-Nippa-Shiloh
Trojan 09.11.02 - 26.10.10 // Kody 01.09.89-25.06.12 // Rex 05.11.95-21.12.12
HowClever is offline  
post #4 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:24 AM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 478
• Horses: 2
I would say you need to call the vet and have it checked out. Playing the guessing game gets frustrating, and a vet can clear it up on the spot. I agree with what you said about maybe he has been fed from a fence feeder or something else a little higher but if he can graze without being shaky that doesn't make sense. It could also be a nervous vice, a habit this horse has developed, he looks like he is always ready to flee in the video. It could be the head so far down in the bucket makes his eyesight less than great and he can't relax to eat for fear something is coming to scare him out of his feed or attack him. I would just call the vet and make sure it isn't anything muscular or neurological at play. It could be just a nervous tick or vice.
herdbound is offline  
post #5 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:26 AM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwestern Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3,324
• Horses: 0
Most, not all, but most Stbd's that are racing dont get much pasture time because of the risk of injury. So if Trojan has been previously raced, it is possible that he has only been fed from a bucket (grain) and possibly a haynet or manger. (we fed hay on the stall floor, but not everyone does....) I have never seen this in a Stbd at all!
VelvetsAB is offline  
post #6 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,655
• Horses: 10
I did wonder about a nervous thing too, as he is a very, very flighty horse. My fiance even said today that he looked like he was preparing to do the bolt.

Trojan only ever did track prep before being turned out in a 200 acre pasture for 5 years with very little contact with people (hence the flighty I guess!)

I really am considering having him checked out by the vet just to set my mind at ease, as it concerns me that it may be a muscle issue, or even a balance problem brought on by something neurological.

Flirt-Hugo-Phoenix-Romance-Fanta-Nippa-Shiloh
Trojan 09.11.02 - 26.10.10 // Kody 01.09.89-25.06.12 // Rex 05.11.95-21.12.12
HowClever is offline  
post #7 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:32 AM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Va
Posts: 1,306
• Horses: 0
If he only does it while eating grain and not while grazing, it seems like it wouldn't be a muscular thing. He must spend a lot more time with his head down eating grass than he does eating grain. Have you tried feeding him higher up? Does he do it then?
I think I would agree with herdbound that it might be a nervous tick. My first impression while watching was that he was just overly excited about eating.
I'd love to hear what you find out about it.
horseluver250 is offline  
post #8 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:35 AM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,655
• Horses: 10
I just bought a fence feeder today so may try giving him his next feed in that and see what he does.

I am hoping that is just a quirk and not something more serious!

Flirt-Hugo-Phoenix-Romance-Fanta-Nippa-Shiloh
Trojan 09.11.02 - 26.10.10 // Kody 01.09.89-25.06.12 // Rex 05.11.95-21.12.12
HowClever is offline  
post #9 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:44 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: In a land far far away, or so I wish.
Posts: 12,825
• Horses: 0
More than nervous I would guess excitement. Anticipation of eating and the excitement of eating.
Alwaysbehind is offline  
post #10 of 68 Old 09-08-2010, 08:46 AM Thread Starter
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Western Australia
Posts: 2,655
• Horses: 10
Is it possible that would happen because he spent so long in the paddock with no contact, so wasn't particularly well fed?

Sorry for all the questions, I have just never seen anything like it!

Flirt-Hugo-Phoenix-Romance-Fanta-Nippa-Shiloh
Trojan 09.11.02 - 26.10.10 // Kody 01.09.89-25.06.12 // Rex 05.11.95-21.12.12
HowClever is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How Would You Break the Pacing? I'm stumped :( charlicata Gaited Horses 7 08-29-2010 10:51 AM
I'm Stumped-- Horse is VERY food aggressive SeWHC Horse Training 4 01-23-2010 01:01 PM
Stumped. JavaLover Horse Training 10 12-21-2009 07:56 PM
stumped on lunging. Lucara Horse Training 20 09-25-2009 04:41 PM
New and stumped bevie Horse Forum Support Help Desk 1 02-19-2009 07:50 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome