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    02-16-2009, 10:33 PM
  #11
Weanling
Since we are already on the subject, quick question...My OTTB eats 2 flakes in the morning and at night and the vet had me put him on 4 lbs of purina complete advantage and weight builder powder. I am concerned with using the purina complete since it is so sweet. I have noticed since feeding him, he is super excitable and overreacts constantly. Is the complete making him hot? I am already taking back to basic training to deal with it, but could the underlying cause be the purina complete?
     
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    02-16-2009, 10:55 PM
  #12
Foal
Okay, thanks!

I'll see about getting a lighter blanket for him to wear. He was sweating the other day when it was 55/60 out, so I guess the blanket is just too heavy.

We'll have to have a talk with our barn manager(I think she thinks we're idiots though xD) about increasing his feed. The first week he got there, she only had him on half a scoop. We feed our appendix, Rio, 2 scoops of the same brand(12% creep feed) and he's just starting to gain weight, and that's more than half of what our OTTB, Pyro's, getting while working 5x's+ a week.
It just doesn't make any sense, even to an "idiot" xD

And the other thing I'm worried about is that he's on pasture board with two other horses... I'm afraid that he won't be able to eat fast enough(he's the low man on the totem pole) to be getting any good out of it all. And we just don't have the money to keep him in a stall.
But I guess i'll have to figure that one out on my own xD
     
    02-16-2009, 11:19 PM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by rosie9r    
Since we are already on the subject, quick question...My OTTB eats 2 flakes in the morning and at night and the vet had me put him on 4 lbs of purina complete advantage and weight builder powder. I am concerned with using the purina complete since it is so sweet. I have noticed since feeding him, he is super excitable and overreacts constantly. Is the complete making him hot? I am already taking back to basic training to deal with it, but could the underlying cause be the purina complete?
I would say the complete is DEFINITELY the cause. My past OTTB and my current TBxArab cannot have ANY molasses or corn, and oats even make/made them both hyper if they weren't in heavy training.

Many vets don't know the first thing about real nutrition, especially when dealing with food sensitivities. They just know what the feed companies tell them. Nutrition is only a one semester class in vet school .

If he's eating grass hay, I would add two flakes at lunch, or up it to 3 flakes am and pm. If it's Alfalfa, I would add a meal of Bermuda, 2-3 flakes. A 1,000 lb horse should be getting 15-35 lbs of hay a day, depending on methabolism and work load.

My Anglo gets 25-30 lbs a day of Bermuda hay plus 1.5 lbs of alfalfa pellets with 1 cup of milled flax. He gets NO grain, just a vitamin supplement. He keeps his weight on beautifully and is not hyper or spooky at all.

He used to be a hard keeper and would jump out of his skin at the smallest thing. We tried every kind of feed and supplement we could get our hands on to keep weight on him without making him hot. What finally did it? Just lots and lots of the best hay we could get our hands on, lol. The grain made him more hyper, which made him lose more weight...
     
    02-16-2009, 11:38 PM
  #14
Weanling
Thanks luvs2ride, so I will start weaning him off of the complete (I have a crapload of it left too grrr hehe!) His previous owner had him on beet pulp and corn oil (but only 2 flakes of bermuda a day).

I will have to talk to my BO about giving him more hay, he gets half bermuda and half alfalfa (2 flakes 2x a day) right now.

Thanks for the advice! I was staring to wonder if he was drugged when I bought him, the behavior is so different!!
     
    02-16-2009, 11:43 PM
  #15
Green Broke
Hey Rosie, where do you board? I used to live in Oceanside, by 76 & University and was around some Vista & Bonsal barns.

I would increase the bermuda by a flake or two and hold the alfalfa at 2 flakes. For "goodies", give him some shredded beet pulp, soaked (1- 2qt feed scoop dry measure) with a vitamin supplement and some corn oil. That should round out his diet and give him plenty of fat and calories.
     
    02-16-2009, 11:45 PM
  #16
Weanling
Xpyrrohs- I second all the people who have said that adding hay to his diet is essential. I prefer free choice but if it is not available to you I would suggest getting more grass hay added day and night. I would also suggest uping the protien % in what you are feeding. The horses where I board at are on Nutrena safechoice (14%) and there isn't one in the bunch that could be considered underweight.

If you cannot work things out with your barn owner I would suggest moving. I obviously don't know your situation but I wouldn't put up with a horse as underweight as yours for long. If this is not possible you should also mention to your BO that it is a poor reflection on them to have an underweight horse on the property. Perhaps for the time being you should think about cutting down on your horse's workload until you start figuring out something that will get his weight back up.
     
    02-16-2009, 11:52 PM
  #17
Weanling
I board at Hollys Land in Escondido. I leased out of there for a while before I bought my ottb. I live in Bonsall off the 76. :) Military transplant, I am really from SC.

Sounds like we will be buying beet pulp tomorrow and corn oil woohoo :)
     
    02-17-2009, 12:06 AM
  #18
Started
Rosie, you can try strategy ... I give that to my OTTB and it isn't sweet feed, it's good for them ... just a thought.
     
    02-17-2009, 12:10 AM
  #19
Started
Quote:
Originally Posted by xpyrrohs    
Okay, thanks!

I'll see about getting a lighter blanket for him to wear. He was sweating the other day when it was 55/60 out, so I guess the blanket is just too heavy.

We'll have to have a talk with our barn manager(I think she thinks we're idiots though xD) about increasing his feed. The first week he got there, she only had him on half a scoop. We feed our appendix, Rio, 2 scoops of the same brand(12% creep feed) and he's just starting to gain weight, and that's more than half of what our OTTB, Pyro's, getting while working 5x's+ a week.
It just doesn't make any sense, even to an "idiot" xD

And the other thing I'm worried about is that he's on pasture board with two other horses... I'm afraid that he won't be able to eat fast enough(he's the low man on the totem pole) to be getting any good out of it all. And we just don't have the money to keep him in a stall.
But I guess i'll have to figure that one out on my own xD
Are you able to get out there everyday? If so you can give him the "extra" feed when you are there and that way the other horses can't get to it... when my mare is in pasture, she would never get her strategy and suppliments if I put it out there for all to have at... I just put it in a feeder/bucket and let her much on it while I groom her.. it's also good bonding for us :)
     
    02-17-2009, 12:14 AM
  #20
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by onetoomany    
xpyrrohs- I second all the people who have said that adding hay to his diet is essential. I prefer free choice but if it is not available to you I would suggest getting more grass hay added day and night. I would also suggest uping the protien % in what you are feeding. The horses where I board at are on Nutrena safechoice (14%) and there isn't one in the bunch that could be considered underweight.

If you cannot work things out with your barn owner I would suggest moving. I obviously don't know your situation but I wouldn't put up with a horse as underweight as yours for long. If this is not possible you should also mention to your BO that it is a poor reflection on them to have an underweight horse on the property. Perhaps for the time being you should think about cutting down on your horse's workload until you start figuring out something that will get his weight back up.

Thanks! I totally agree. I'm only 16, and my mom wants me riding ever single day. Whenever I try to explain things like that, I get treated like I don't WANT to ride, when I'm thinking about the horse and his well being. My mom thinks she knows everything because she USED to ride back when god know when, and whenever she gets advice, its usually from an unreliable source(not trying to bad mouth my mom, but its true).

But we're going to have a chat with our barn owner tomorrow after school about his diet and drive up to the feed store to look at rice bran and flax seed. We're also going to see if we can get a round bale for him and his "buddies" to share.
     

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