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        12-16-2009, 03:43 PM
      #21
    Foal
    Sounds like you truly believe in what you say and I respect your opinion but there are other opinions out there for sure.

    How about a little respect in return??
         
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        12-17-2009, 10:30 AM
      #22
    Yearling
    I haven't shown you any disrespect, simply pointed out flaws in logic or areas things that might not be considered.
         
        12-17-2009, 10:46 AM
      #23
    Weanling
    Just a side note regarding Quest. I will not use it again. I have used it in the past with no problem thankfully.. however -

    A friend of mine's vet dosed my friends horses with Quest. The problem one gelding had, and was proven to be from the Quest was everywhere he had white hair/pink skin, (he's a bay) the hair fell out and his skin sluffed off.

    Extensive testing proved moxidectin was the culprit, and Ft Dodge settled with my friend out of court admitting it was the fault of their product
         
        12-17-2009, 10:56 AM
      #24
    Started
    ^^ good to know. I've never used it, not because of anything I've herd but based on my vets recomendation.
         
        12-17-2009, 11:17 AM
      #25
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryle    
    I haven't shown you any disrespect, simply pointed out flaws in logic or areas things that might not be considered.
    :roll:

    I believe the point is, you have said it over and over again and anyone who does not agree with you gets reminded by you that they are nothing short of stupid.

    You have your opinion. Other vet practices have other opinions.
         
        12-17-2009, 11:22 AM
      #26
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qtrhrsecrazy    
    Extensive testing proved moxidectin was the culprit, and Ft Dodge settled with my friend out of court admitting it was the fault of their product
    However - no one can predict what a horse (or human) may have a reaction to.

    Vaccines, wormer, feed, fly spray, shampoo . . . .
         
        12-17-2009, 11:26 AM
      #27
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    Originally Posted by mls    
    However - no one can predict what a horse (or human) may have a reaction to.

    Vaccines, wormer, feed, fly spray, shampoo . . . .
    Very good point.

    What one horse might react to might not be a problem for someone else, etc.
         
        12-17-2009, 08:23 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mls    
    However - no one can predict what a horse (or human) may have a reaction to.

    Vaccines, wormer, feed, fly spray, shampoo . . . .
    That's right, and her other horses were fine... it was just the one. It's enough of a red flag with the reaction being so traumatic, that why push it.

    There's plenty of other wormers that are effective, and much safer than Quest. I'm sticking with those.

    I have a mare that one year had a reaction to the flu/rhino vaccine. Never an issue up to that point. She no longer can have it. My other horses never had a problem with flu/rhino. 3 veterinarians said it's that particular type of rhino vaccine (don't remember the details it's been to long ago) but you can't get a flu shot without it
         
        12-18-2009, 05:31 PM
      #29
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by qtrhrsecrazy    

    There's plenty of other wormers that are effective, and much safer than Quest. I'm sticking with those.
    Unfortunatly that is simply not the case anymore. There is widespread resistance among strongyles to the benzimendazole class of dewormers with fenbendazole having resistance issues in 95+% of areas tested in the US. And there is resistance among strongyles to pyrantel (Strongid) in around 50% of areas tested. This past year a study with the first farm showing resistance of strongyles to ivermectin was published. Strongyles are the biggest problem to focus on in adult horses.

    Then you look at ascarids which are a huge concern in foals and you see resistance to ivermectin and resistance to pyrantel.

    So truthfully the number of deworming chemicals that are currently effective in a given situation is around 2. And moxidectin is in the same chemical family as ivermectin so it won't take as long to start seeing resistance to it because the parasites have had such long and frequent exposure to a similar chemical.
         
        12-18-2009, 09:43 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ryle    
    Unfortunatly that is simply not the case anymore. There is widespread resistance among strongyles to the benzimendazole class of dewormers with fenbendazole having resistance issues in 95+% of areas tested in the US. And there is resistance among strongyles to pyrantel (Strongid) in around 50% of areas tested. This past year a study with the first farm showing resistance of strongyles to ivermectin was published. Strongyles are the biggest problem to focus on in adult horses.

    Then you look at ascarids which are a huge concern in foals and you see resistance to ivermectin and resistance to pyrantel.

    So truthfully the number of deworming chemicals that are currently effective in a given situation is around 2. And moxidectin is in the same chemical family as ivermectin so it won't take as long to start seeing resistance to it because the parasites have had such long and frequent exposure to a similar chemical.
    I'm not having any problems thankfully not using moxidectin. I have fecal's done a couple of times a year, and they're clean
         

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