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post #31 of 88 Old 02-14-2013, 11:21 AM Thread Starter
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No I won't anwser anything you said. And ill post my opinions wheneve I want wheather you like them or not. ........
I think you're confused. You are the one that told me to quit posting on a topic I started about an injury. I never told you not to post. You pointed out that the sorrel mare didn't get proper care, and I was curious what you thought was wrong with her.
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This is why great companies like Vetericyn have to make their products so expensive. Vetericyn has had a lot of trouble with the FDA over labeling, claims, etc. which is a shame. They had to completely redo their website. It virtually has no information. Their product is great, and we use it to clean really nasty wounds, then go to saline. Of course, Vetericyn doesn't prevent or eliminate proud flesh, but I can't say enough good things about the product for cleaning. They've had to spend millions fighting regulation & protect themselves legally because someone might break out in a rash.
Vetericyn is nothing more than sterile water, salt, and pool bleach. It isn't a new product and it certainly isn't magical. They made some overly exuberant/unsubstantiated claims. Vetericyn also chose to use the less common nomenclature for chemicals' scientific names. You can be sure that was a calculated move. The FDA had reason to crack down on them.

Edited to Add the link to the FDA letter for anyone who wants to see it
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/Enforcement.../ucm315117.htm

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Personally, if I broke out in a rash, I'd quit using whatever caused the rash. lol Same with my horse.
Aha, NOW you get it, or possibly not.

I would love to know what I am allergic to, yes I obviously stopped using the product. No I didn't sue them, but I would love to know what is in it, then I can avoid it in the future, not the detangler, that's a no brainer but the ingredient in it, if I saw it in another product then I could avoid going through that again.
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Aha, NOW you get it, or possibly not.

I would love to know what I am allergic to, yes I obviously stopped using the product. No I didn't sue them, but I would love to know what is in it, then I can avoid it in the future, not the detangler, that's a no brainer but the ingredient in it, if I saw it in another product then I could avoid going through that again.
Rubber gloves;) unless your allergic to latex!

I'm allergic to latex.....found out after days of wearing them to use a horse product that was an irritant!!! Go figure!

I use those stupid nitril gloves now that rip all the time!!
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post #35 of 88 Old 02-14-2013, 12:19 PM Thread Starter
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Vetericyn is nothing more than sterile water, salt, and pool bleach.

You're misinformed. Vetericyn is much more than pool bleach, water and salt.
Vetericyn is an anolyte. This mixture, produced from natural elements, is effective against bacteria, viruses, mold and a host of germs, according to different reports. Marketers of this disinfecting agent say it is more effective than bleach at eradicating influenza, staph, salmonella and E. coli. Testing by one company that makes the product, Integrated Environmental Technologies, has shown that it's also an effective weapon against swine flu, also known as H1N1. It kills anthrax and neutralizes sarin, mustard gas and nerve gas.

This antimicrobial solution is safe to use in sensitive settings such as schools, nursing homes, airplanes, restrooms and animal shelters. Some hotels have even forgone bleach and ammonia for this liquid, according to the Los Angeles Times. As for its environmental footprint, the product is completely biodegradable.

So, what is this miraculous compound? It's called anolyte, and believe it or not, it starts with a simple solution of salt and water. The key active ingredient of anolyte is hypochlorous acid, a naturally occurring molecule synthesized from an electrolyzed solution of brine.

Is simple solution a miracle germ killer? | MNN - Mother Nature Network
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I don't believe I'm misinformed. The information you provided is taking fairly simple chemistry and using the technical terms for it. That language is correct and probably how chemical engineers and chemistry PhD's communicate with each other on a daily basis.

For those wishing to look into the product further, here is a link to the ingredients of Vetericyn. Vetericyn Ingredients | Velocity International LLC - Animal Wellness People in United Arab Emirates and here is a link to a google images photo of the rear label http://c1.wag.com/images/products/p/inn/inn-011_2z.jpg

The basic ingredients are:
Water - I assume it is distilled and sterilized and I'm surprised they didn't label it as Hydrogen Dioxide or Dihydrogen Monoxide
Sodium Chloride (NaCl) - also known as table salt
Hypochlorous Acid (HOCl) - or also written HClO. This "acid" is created when chlorine is dissolved in water.
Sodium Hypochlorite (NaOCl) - or also written NaClO. This is what happens when a sodium salt, here NaCl, reacts with the chlorine/water (hypochlorous acid) solution. Sodium Hypochlorite is also known as bleach.

I'm not saying anyone can easily make this at home. In order to do so properly, you would need certain abilities and pure supplies. For the roughly $2/oz pricetag though, I personally will use a different disinfecting method. This has been discussed elsewhere on the internet by people with more advanced degrees than mine. I would encourage people to do their own research.

That being said, 6W, I will refrain from taking your thread off track any further. I hope your filly heals well and rapidly.
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First of CCH your avatar is stunning, that horse has a CD Olena head.

Secondly I think based on the pictures the wound looks not bad. I wouldn't call a vet for that. Why?! Because he would say, keep it clean, cold hose it for few days, a few days of antibiotics, wrap for 7-10 days, watch for proud flesh, all the things that I already know how to do and what to do.

I really think that common sense and the ability to know how to care for our horses has been taken away from us with all the PETA bull**** and everyone jumping to call a vet as soon as the horse as even a small scratch.

Keep doing what you are doing. Does your salve help with proud flesh? I do see some starting for sure, but it's a quick fix at this point. :)
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can i just say one thing?

if you treat a horse like its made of glass, youre gonna get a glass horse. If you are confident and competent and have the knowledge to help it yourself, if its not a life or death situation, then go for it.

im not saying that's always the case but the OP seems to have a pretty good ground based knowledge and personal experience with similar situations so I think you have a handle on it...


and again...PICTURES! (please) im very interested to watch the progress and healing of this filly if you are still inclined towards it.

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These were taken this afternoon. Most of the dirt that people were panicking over is salve residue, not mud, stuck to the hair. The wound bed is granulating like it should, but I don't believe it's excessive. The salve will keep it in check. The light gray edge is growth from the past 20 hours. It closes in between 1/8" to 1/4" each day. I'll post more pics in a few days so it's easier to notice changes.

I also like watching the progression of wound healing. It's very interesting to me.





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Have you got a vet out? I would have a vet come out, check it, and tell you what to do from there. Any cuts around that area can be extremely dangerous because of all the tendons and stuff

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