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  • Chasung hirse in round pen so bad she tries to jump out

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    04-19-2012, 01:45 PM
  #11
Weanling
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    04-19-2012, 01:52 PM
  #12
Trained
Link to the other thread on this

Horse tried to jump out of corral and fell onto pipe corral gait

I can't say I saw a panic stricken horse...looked like she just knew the way out and was out of there
     
    04-19-2012, 02:01 PM
  #13
Super Moderator
Hey many, if not most, have chased a horse around a corral. Sometimes for some exercise for a sedentary horse, sometimes to video movement....whatever. We expect the horse to know the barriers and stay within them. Sadly, this was not the case here.

The mare was so done with being chased. She didn't look panic stricken, just done with it. She knew that the gate was the way out. She ran to it and noticed, at the last moment, that it was closed and tried to jump it.

It is definitely a learning experience for everyone about how quickly things can go wrong. Good luck with your horse's rehab.

And thank you for being brave enough to post a thread about this. It took guts and we will ALL take something important from this.

Folks, she knows that this situation ended poorly. So, keep the good learned here in perspective.
     
    04-19-2012, 02:18 PM
  #14
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
Hey many, if not most, have chased a horse around a corral. Sometimes for some exercise for a sedentary horse, sometimes to video movement....whatever. We expect the horse to know the barriers and stay within them. Sadly, this was not the case here.

The mare was so done with being chased. She didn't look panic stricken, just done with it. She knew that the gate was the way out. She ran to it and noticed, at the last moment, that it was closed and tried to jump it.

It is definitely a learning experience for everyone about how quickly things can go wrong. Good luck with your horse's rehab.

And thank you for being brave enough to post a thread about this. It took guts and we will ALL take something important from this.

Folks, she knows that this situation ended poorly. So, keep the good learned here in perspective.
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Reason being? If I had done that with my horse, my dad would of taken my horses away from me and I doubt I would of been able to touch them in a while. However, I have NEVER chased my horse around a pen, I know how to read them and I know how to properly work with them.

Yes, people need to learn, especially the young. But, where do we stop wrapping them in cotton, sugar coating our responses and simply say, you screwed up and you were ignorant in what you did? When will horses stop being miss used and messed up training wise because were too worried or apprehensive about stepping on someone's toes or hurting someones lil feelings? A horse is a sensitive, fight or flight animal and reactive.

If you can't work with a horse properly and keep the above in line, you can't leave your feelings at the gate or know what your doing, get someone who does or don't do it at all. There are too many stories out there of people messing a good horse up then someone else having to undo their ignorance.
     
    04-19-2012, 02:30 PM
  #15
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The horse probably knew the gate was closed, but felt cornered and tried to escape the only way it knew. I heard a whip being used in the video.

I'm not going to say running a horse like that is wrong because I have done it and still would if I had a corral to do it in, but you have to have a purpose and know when to back off. In an enclosed space I wouldn't ask for full speed. If they are ran into a corner they may not have time to stop or turn. You can still have control without a lunge line, if you do it right.

Hope your horse is OK.
     
    04-19-2012, 03:02 PM
  #16
Trained
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Reason being? If I had done that with my horse, my dad would of taken my horses away from me and I doubt I would of been able to touch them in a while. However, I have NEVER chased my horse around a pen, I know how to read them and I know how to properly work with them.

Yes, people need to learn, especially the young. But, where do we stop wrapping them in cotton, sugar coating our responses and simply say, you screwed up and you were ignorant in what you did? When will horses stop being miss used and messed up training wise because were too worried or apprehensive about stepping on someone's toes or hurting someones lil feelings? A horse is a sensitive, fight or flight animal and reactive.

If you can't work with a horse properly and keep the above in line, you can't leave your feelings at the gate or know what your doing, get someone who does or don't do it at all. There are too many stories out there of people messing a good horse up then someone else having to undo their ignorance.
And we all can disagree here and hopefully without falling out, and keeping the respect of all.

Not one of us are born knowing everything, although there always a few who think that they were

The lucky ones among us have good teachers and mentors to guide up on our way. Most of us find out by making mistakes, and a lot of us should admit that we are truly lucky to have made mistakes and got away without damaging ourselves or anyone else.

Some of us make small mistakes and suffer devastating consequences.

Then there are the accidents pure and simple.

Without knowing the people or the horse involved here, I am either impressed or very worried that so many people can put together a whole story from 26 seconds of side ways, long distance, partly obscured video.

I totally agree that we should not sugar coat responses, and hopefully a lot of people will learn a lot from this thread.

Op, I hope your horse makes a full recovery
     
    04-19-2012, 03:11 PM
  #17
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by GreySorrel    
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Reason being? If I had done that with my horse, my dad would of taken my horses away from me and I doubt I would of been able to touch them in a while. However, I have NEVER chased my horse around a pen, I know how to read them and I know how to properly work with them.
You are allowed to disagree, of course!
I have done a lot of warmblood showing/testing and we chase them through through jumping shoots, I video sale horse movements at liberty and I have free lunged. All could have similar results in a flash. I had a year and a half old gelding free lunging in a five foot high round pen. I saw a look in his eyes too late to prevent him from trotting up to the wall and jump out. He was, also, so done with it. Ka Ka happens, especially if you have done this a long time.

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Yes, people need to learn, especially the young. But, where do we stop wrapping them in cotton, sugar coating our responses and simply say, you screwed up and you were ignorant in what you did? When will horses stop being miss used and messed up training wise because were too worried or apprehensive about stepping on someone's toes or hurting someones lil feelings? A horse is a sensitive, fight or flight animal and reactive.
Hmm, you sound like you have never made a mistake in judgement. You have never had a horse step on reins breaking a bridle, never had a horse pull away from you and go galloping off, never had anything go completely wrong in some way. You have been luckier than I have, that's for sure.

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If you can't work with a horse properly and keep the above in line, you can't leave your feelings at the gate or know what your doing, get someone who does or don't do it at all. There are too many stories out there of people messing a good horse up then someone else having to undo their ignorance.
I have been training horses longer than many of the posters here have been alive. I have been trained by the best out there, and I am extremely careful. Even so, I have had things go bad fast. There is simply no avoiding it if you have been around a while. The key is to learn from it. And, having the courage to post here allows others to learn from their mistake.

Will I continue to free lunge and put horses over free jumps? Yes, it is part of the business. It is always a gamble in too many ways.
     
    04-19-2012, 03:13 PM
  #18
Green Broke
I just have to say that I do not know anything about why this horse jumped that gate but I would not assume it had anything to do with the owner. It took almost 3 months to get my horse to work with me without trying to get back to her buddies. She was dangerous, she attempted many times to jump out of the round pen to the point that last minute she would put on the brakes and skid into the pannels.

She still lines up fence lines in the arena and anything in her way in an attempt to get back to her buddy. She is extremely buddy sour, we could be lunging perfect for 10 minutes then boom she was trying to get out.

We don't know what she was aiming for or even the whole story about what happened prior to her jumping. All we know is it happened and I highly doubt it was expected.

OP- I hope she will heal up nicely.
     
    04-19-2012, 06:05 PM
  #19
Weanling
Allison, you have way more experience than I, just by reading and I would freely admit that. I know next to nothing about jumping or the warmblood testing at all, so reading what you do is a whole different kettle of fish for me.

Not saying I have never had an accident or a problem or an oh carp moment, all of us have, myself included. It is the attitude of the poster and reading some of her other threads, she comes off young and inexperienced and to me personally, maybe I am just reading too much into it, she needs an experienced trainer to help her that she can see, hear and talk to in person. Again, I could be wrong. I have seen too many good honest horses ruined by ignorance and inexperience, I use to ride those types of horses, retrain and get them back to being honest citizens and I would work with the owner as well. I don't do it anymore as I have found I have less patience than I use to with humans and the ground is most unforgiving on my bones, I just do not bounce like I once did when I am thrown or bucked off or dumped.

But, I do also understand where you are coming from and on this side, no hard feelings at all, shoot, if we all agreed on everything, how boring would it be? I see this thread as a meeting of all different disciplines and minds and thoughts and ideas is all.
     
    04-19-2012, 06:14 PM
  #20
Foal
Lightening, I'm so sorry this happened to Penelope and you. It was good of you to post the video because it is very helpful for people to see in real time, just how quickly things can go wrong. I don't know if I could say from the short clip and not seeing the surrounding events, that Penelope was trying to get away from you specifically or just trying to get back to her herd - two different things. It does look like she headed to the exit, then realized a bit too late that the gate was closed and she tried to jump.
I hope Penelope makes a full and quick recovery from her injuries.
     

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