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post #11 of 25 Old 09-02-2012, 12:32 AM Thread Starter
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Yes he is eating normally. He is all current on all vaccines including tetanus and teeth floating. He tends to have an excessive amount of salivation when eating. Gave him some bute this afternoon and he seemed to be walking around better but that only covers up the problem. I was thinking it was a founder situation and completely forgot about laminitis. Thank you everyone for your help.
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post #12 of 25 Old 09-02-2012, 01:12 AM
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I was thinking it was a founder situation and completely forgot about laminitis. Thank you everyone for your help.
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Please explain your differentiation of founder and laminitis.

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Please explain your differentiation of founder and laminitis.
There isn't a difference founder and laminitis are the same thing. My older horse founder last year but his was caused by stress cause the stallion was chasing and beating him up. Im no expert but isn't alfalfa really rich and bad for horses prone to founder?

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It could be founder, I won't discount that. But has he ever had an abscess before? I have an old horse who whenever she gets an abscess in a front hoof she leans back and does the founder walk. But having seen it burst before we know it to be just an abscess. Sometimes those can't be seen until they're nearly ready to burst. Does he have a particular spot in his hoof he doesn't want pressure? I'd call his owner - ask if they'll let you call a vet, if not I'd pack the hoof and treat it like an abscess. Can't hurt but rule it out.
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post #15 of 25 Old 09-02-2012, 02:08 AM
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If it's laminitis, please take the horse off alfalfa asap, and please don't grain - and please avoid grass hays high in protein and sugars, the plainer the better. I hope this helps.
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it could be founder/laminitis or it could be an abcess or stone bruise.
clean hose off feet. If you cannot get a vet to look, then pack and wrap his feet. Grain will cause founder/laminitis as well as spring grass or new grass
after cool nights and hot days. Hay not so much. You can find info on founder on many sights, just search founder or laminitis in horses. also he may have a case of arhtritis and just be really sore . Some days i walk better than others !
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post #17 of 25 Old 09-02-2012, 02:47 AM
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If there's any softer terrain for him to move around on, that may also help keep him more comfortable for now.

Do you think he may have had a reaction to any vaccines, dewormer, or something else? I wonder if the salivating and lameness may be connected.

How he moves in the videos (thank you for uploading them to show us) gives me the impression that it may not be laminitis although with his appearing heavy he could be a candidate for it. There may be the onset of low ringbone? As stevenson suggested it could be soreness or a possible bruise or abscess. Maybe a mixed bag of issues?
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and if there is a difference its not a big one.
Only that of rotation.

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I did all kinds of research when my horse foundered so I do want I'm talking about
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and alfalfa is not good for a horse whose foundering. Jerk.
Perhaps more internet research is in order.

It is unfortunate that the term "founder" has become so generic. Coming from the old mariners, it refers to the "sinking" of a boat or ship. Before x-rays, a horse had "foundered" when it was apparent that the coffin bone had sunk(rotated),usually because it could be seen poking out.

You can have laminitis(inflamation of the lamina) w/o haveing founder(rotation)

You can not have founder/rotation w/o laminitis.
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Only that of rotation.



On the internet?



Perhaps more internet research is in order.

It is unfortunate that the term "founder" has become so generic. Coming from the old mariners, it refers to the "sinking" of a boat or ship. Before x-rays, a horse had "foundered" when it was apparent that the coffin bone had sunk(rotated),usually because it could be seen poking out.

You can have laminitis(inflamation of the lamina) w/o haveing founder(rotation)

You can not have founder/rotation w/o laminitis.
Rude jerk or not (I'm thinking not) you're right about the definitions. Good, easy to understand ones too.
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I was able to move Dundee to the owner's roundpen, which is softer ground, and he seems to be doing a lot better. I am in awe of what is going on with him. Owner will be home tomorrow evening to possibly take it to the next step and have the vet out to see what is going on with him. I am almost starting to wondering if there is something else going on with him. Thank you all for the help.
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