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    04-29-2010, 03:12 PM
  #1
Foal
Please help - QH to shoe or not

Thank you so much for taking the time to read and give me much needed advise

I have 2 QH's, A TW, and and old Appy. Since their pasture is bottom land there are no rocks. There are some rocks in our paddock which they stay from 5pm until 6am. The paddock ground is very hard packed red clay.

WE only have front shoes on the TW and Apy and then do fine but....

I have had one of my QH's ( bulldog type ) for over 6 years and he has never been able to go without 4 shoes as to get to our trails there are many gravel roads. Jack will act like he is going to die. Dropping down, stumbling,ect and not wanting to walk on the road. Granted I never made him go for long as I felt so sorry for him so just would not ride until time for shoes again. No problems with his feet except what a layman would call low heel or flat foot? I think this may be a QH trait. I do give his feet a rest from shoes now and then but he can only be ridden in the pasture duriing that time.

Last year I purchased a QH from my farrier. Although he is a foundation QH named Zip and he is built more like a TB and I am afraid his feet have some issues. When I got him he had been pastured in sand, no shoes, and his feet were cracked awful.
My farrier put shoes on before we left. I kept 4 shoes on him until recently when my farrier mentioned that in all the horses that he does he ONLY KNOWS ONE HORSE THAT HAS TO HAVE BACK SHOES AND HE SAID IT WAS MY QH JACK and now ZIP

My horses do get a good diet - RB and quality CB hay + pasture but no other supplements

So I did not put shoes on Zip's back last time. I also applied V turpentine a coupleof times. However he is having the same problem as Jack to the point that he will not walk on anything with rocks or gravel unless he walks in the ditch. I feel bad for him and I don't want him to learn bad habits but everytime I steer him back on the road off he goes again.
In other words, its not very relaxing for either of us and a royal pain......

Since we work we do not ride everyday, mostly on weekends.

I just don't understand how my other two horses show no tenderness at all but the QH are VERY OUCHY ON ROCKS

My farrier who I think is great suggested putting peagravel so they walk on it everyday but that's still not the same as the big chunks of gravel on the dirt roads around here

The farrier will be out again next week and I just don't know what to do.

*My question is will my QH ever be able to walk on gravel without being tender and what should I do
I don't want to hurt their feet, especially Zip as sometimes when he is shod you can see his foot crack as soon as the nail goes in. I have been using hoof conditioner off and on since I got him but quit over the winter as their pasture pretty much stayed wet with all the rain we had.

Also has it been your experience that QH's especially those bred for WP have flat/low feet?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    04-29-2010, 03:28 PM
  #2
Banned
I would try some supplements. I know for a friend of mine, they worked wonders on helping with splitting feet. Have you tried just front shoes on your boys? Now I can't back this up with scientific evidence but I do believe they are ouchier after shoes come off. If you waited 6 weeks (with shoes off) and rode lightly, I think their ouchiness would lessen. We had an appy mare that was SUPER tender on anything but fluffy arena turf. When we started trail riding her, she would DIVE for the sides of the road. Eventually, her feet came tougher and she would just walk on. Personally, I would try supplements and front shoes. Good luck!
     
    04-29-2010, 03:43 PM
  #3
Weanling
For Zip I would look into supplements or talk to your vet/farrier about things to use to help with the cracking. It may also be that he needs his toe rolled to help with the break over point. This is esspesially important in flatter footed horses. If the toe is rolled it takes the stress off of the foot, their stride improves as they don't have to short step.

As to the shoes on all four, my horse needs shoes on all four feet. He gets stone errosion in the soft laminae that goes in quite deep. If he didn't have shoes on he would be VERY prone to abscessing. If your horse is better with the shoes on I would deffinetly suggest keeping them on. When you take them off you are expecting a horse to go walk around on feet that haven't needed to become tough to handle that. You will find that when you take the shoes off they will be tender for a while, some horses toughen up but some don't. It's like telling someone who always wears running shoes to take their shoes off and walk down the gravel road, it hurts until they get calluses.

Hope that helps :)
     
    04-29-2010, 03:54 PM
  #4
Trained
I keep my horses shod all the way around because I don't want to have to worry about them getting sore feet. A real easy way to get a horse heavy on the front end is to make the hind feet tender. Shoe them all the way around and let them be comfortable. I don't understand the lenghts people go to so they can be part of the "I go barefoot" club.
     
    04-29-2010, 03:59 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
I don't understand the lenghts people go to so they can be part of the "I go barefoot" club.
I agree completely. If you are going to do something with your horse that takes them out of their natural environment you will generally need shoes. This includes riding on trails, road, and even in an arena. We take them out into places that have grounds that wear on the feet more then just being in a grassy field. Unless your horse has amazingly strong feet you are running the risk of tenderness. It only takes one little rock in the soft laminae to start the process of an abscess.

Personally I don't want to take the chance. My guy is much happier with the shoes on so that's what I go with.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:04 PM
  #6
Weanling
The only horse I ever had that was not 100% sound on gravel/concrete barefoot was my Appaloosa once she got to be over 28 years old, then we had problems. However, at that point she was retired and didn't have to walk on anything like that, so shoeing was pointless.

In the case of the horse with all four, I would try taking the back shoes off at least. Then wait. He'll be sore for awhile, don't rush it. Give it time, a few months at least.

Do I understand correctly that you bought Zip from your farrier and he had badly cracked feet? I find that kind of disturbing.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:25 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by Squeak    
Do I understand correctly that you bought Zip from your farrier and he had badly cracked feet? I find that kind of disturbing.
I find this a little unsettling also. Then again, my husband is a landscaper and my front lawn looks like a hay field!

As far as the barefoot thing goes, my horse goes well barefoot. His feet wear evenly, he isnt tenderfooted and honestly, I don't ride enough. I think it is all a matter of doing what is best for the individual horse. I know plenty of horses (and riders!) that believe in shoes like religion. I just think that if it aint broke, don't fix it.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:32 PM
  #8
Foal
Thanks for taking time to read the book of pain..ha ha

Corinowalk - Thank you for responding. Zip does have front shoes, just took the back off at last trim and they are due again now. What type of supplement do you suggest?

Silveras and Kevenshoes - Thank you so much for your comments. I have been feeling like a bad horse mom since I read a lot about barefoot and it seems that the opinion is that if I keep shoes on it will make my horses lame. So far its been the other way around but I want to do whats best for them

Squeak - Zip does have front shoes and with the way he is doing with none on the back he may always.
I was very surprised at his hoof condition when I went to pick him up too
Bought him sight unseen for my hubby. Paid big bucks for him too since he was bred for and in training for Champion WP horse. Farrier and wife had seperated and that's how I ended up with him. Farrier had moved out but the horses stayed.. without hoof care obviously
Love him dearly but gosh those feet......
     
    04-29-2010, 04:39 PM
  #9
Weanling
Shoes can cause lamness if they are put on wrong, barefoot can cause lamness as well if your horse is tender footed to begin with. It sounds like your farrier is doing a good job putting them on though so you should be fine. Do what is best for your horse. Do some research also, I beleive you can find some really good information if you google it. I did a quick search for hoofcare and lameness and came up with some interesting things.

Hope everything goes well for you guys. Hopefully you can get Zip's feet in good condition.
     
    04-29-2010, 04:48 PM
  #10
Banned
Call me old school but I like hooflex supplements and its usually pretty reasonably priced. We recently switched to purina horse feeds which are supposed to have a hoof supplement in them. I feel for ya...i have been caught in the 'shoe or not to shoe' predicament several times and always feel like a bad horse mommy when im in the middle!
     

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