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        11-01-2011, 08:43 AM
      #21
    Super Moderator
    People are probably tired of hearing me say this, but, boy do I wish the people that rescue the helpless, hopeless, old, sick, crippled and pitiful horses out there would put their love and resources into the young, healthy and sound prospects that are being sent to kill by the thousands. I just find it very depressing and sad that they must die while thousands of $ are being spent on hopeless 'yard ornaments' and pets and horses that are going to ultimately have to be put down (or should be put down) and are in pain and have a miserable existence the whole time their people are using them to make themselves feel better.

    Sorry -- but that is how I look at it. I attended the local horse sale last night. The shortage of hay or pasture following the record heat and drought of last summer have forced people to bring horses to the sale that they wanted to keep but can't. Dozens of horses were ridden through the sale last night that were nice saddle horses, some really broke ones, and they brought $200.00 to $300.00 each. The young unbroke ones were bringing $75.00 to $100.00. Some of the people had tears running down their faces as they took their saddles off. With no hay or feed available, there was nothing else they could do. Of the 125 horse or so that went through the ring last night, more than 100 of them went Mexico. I've been in the business over 50 years and I have never seen anything like this.

    So, don't look for pats on the back from me when you spend thousands on a cripple while the nice sound healthy ones are dying.
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        11-01-2011, 12:19 PM
      #22
    Foal
    Well..ok! I read all the posts here and the only thing that I want to say is that...killing the little one is not what I will do...and I did not post his story here to hear again an again people who are telling me...KILL HIM! I am not selfish...I love him so much to offer him a chance...until now I did not heard a doctor saying me to put him to sleep..I see him like my baby...and now please aswer me to this please: could you kill your child if you find that he is very ill,but there are small chances for him to recover? Even a very very very small chance? I don't really think that one of you can to that. In this little pony foal I can see a chance...a future...and this is what he is telling me everyday...that he is able to live with his problem..beeing helped by me...and other people from the shelter. And to teh idea of not helping young and healthy horses...sorry Cherie...but we do that at the shelter...in this moment we have 5 horses between 6 months and 2 years...wich were rescued from different places.The destiny for them was ...ham...until we found out and we went to take them and bring them at the shelter. There were some horses saved from people who were beaten..left in hunger...were abandoned etc...and now they are recovered and in training or some of them found a home and were adopted. Anyway...when I decided to post here the story about the foal..I have posted with the idea of getting some advices..and maybe to find some answers...and to discuss the problem with some that maybe had ever seen something like this...Mark..thank you very much for your help and I will discuss your advices with the farrier and the doctor.Hope to keep in touch and continue to give me answers and advices if it is possible. For other persons...the ones that advice me to put him to sleep..I can say again..the same thing I was saying at the begining of this post..at this moment the idea of killing him is not in my mind...not until I will here this from a few doctors that are very very very shure that he does not have a chance to be better...thank you all for reading this..and hope not to upset someone so bad...but this is what I think.
         
        11-01-2011, 02:02 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    Actualy donut I think you are quite selfish, I would put himout of his misery now. As he gets older he will suffer lots and lots more health problems perticularly with his legs, he WILL be in significant PAIN and he will be suffering. It is extremely selfish to put him through that because you can't face doing what a responsible owner should do. The time has already passed where you could have fully sorted this out, you also don't seem to have access to a decent farrier or reasonable large vet hospital, you don't have the facilities to manage him long term.
    For what this guy is going to cost you, you could rescue 40 other foals who are in desperate need and who stand a far better chance of surviving and living a pain free and useful life

    I had my best friend put to sleep, his name was Squeak, he was a 13hh connemara cross arab. He was brilliant and I had had him several years and I loved him. However one day he went down with colic, he was in pain and he was suffering. There was a very very small chance that we could have saved him if we had rushed him to the major vet hospital and operated, however due to his age and past medical history there was also a significanly large chance that he would die in the lorry on the way there. I (at 10 years old) chose to have him Put to Sleep with dignity and respect at home, surrounded by those who loved him in comfortable conditions.
    That is selfless, it would have been selfish to put him through all that pain and stress just for my own benefit when his chance of survival was so slim.

    I am also all for being able to Euthanise people and have signed a form saying that if I am injured enough that I will either be in a vegitative state or unable to live a decent quality of life then they are not to resucitate me.
         
        11-01-2011, 03:17 PM
      #24
    mls
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDonut    
    Well..ok! I read all the posts here and the only thing that I want to say is that...killing the little one is not what I will do...and I did not post his story here to hear again an again people who are telling me...KILL HIM! I am not selfish...I love him so much to offer him a chance...until now I did not heard a doctor saying me to put him to sleep..I see him like my baby...and now please aswer me to this please: could you kill your child if you find that he is very ill,but there are small chances for him to recover?
    I have no say in how you spend your time or your money. I am not there to see if the foal is suffering. I just need to clear the air on two points:

    1 - Humanely putting an animal to sleep is not killing them. As humans we are more evolved and supposed to be the smarter beings. When we task ourselves with the care of an animal we know we will outlive, we all must face the decision to let them go.

    2 - A horse (cat, dog, bird) is NOT a child. You cannot compare the two in the same manner. I don't have children but I know any child is more important than any of my animals.
         
        11-01-2011, 05:02 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Ok. I respect all your opinions...now..I want to know...IS HERE ANYONE...BESIDE MARK..WHO IS A DOCTOR/SPECIALIST and I can discuss with and see what are the chances for the little one?
         
        11-01-2011, 07:49 PM
      #26
    Trained
    Deary me. I have said this previously and will say it again, the reason human's hesitate to put an animal to sleep, and ultimately out of its misery, is not because we feel bad for the animal (the animal has NO idea, it will just exist one moment, and be gone the next. A horse does not have goals and plans for the future, it is not going to think of dying as wasted life), but because we don't want to go through the emotional pain ourselves.
    Now, we can say what we like, that we feel sorry for the animal, that we are trying to save its life etc etc. but ultimately, it comes down to our own selfish motives.

    As has been said multiple times in above posts, why spend thousands putting an animal through pain and discomfort, when it will NEVER be able to function normally, when you could have saved multiple other horses and allowed them to live out long and useful lives?
    If you are going to 'fix' legs like this foals, treatment needed to be commenced from a few days after birth, not months later. The best chance of success is when the soft tissue and bones are still extremely maleable as a newborn. It has been left far too late for this youngster and to continue with treatment is a fruitless and self centred effort. I see these cases as people trying to play the hero and want to boost themselves up by 'saving' a life, at any cost.
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        11-01-2011, 08:09 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    I just want to say that TheDonut is NOT in the United States and I don't follow their economy, so we don't know that there are hundreds of horses being shipped to Mexico from Romania ;)
    I understand where you guys are coming from, I really do, but the plight of US horses does not have bearing on her situation.

    Now, whether or not the horse will be in horrible pain later...that does have bearing. And TheDonut should talk to her vet about this, and make her decision. Keep in mind that tone does not come out very well from posting online. And be forgiving of someone for whom English is not their first language, things might not come across the way they were intended.
         
        11-01-2011, 08:25 PM
      #28
    Trained
    I'm in Australia, our economy is just fine and there are still a bunch of perfectly fine horses being auctioned off. It's not about the country or continent, its about the moral value of the whole debarkle. Keeping a foal alive in this condition makes me cringe.
         
        11-01-2011, 08:37 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    The main difficulties with this type of treatment is pressure sores. This is a common problem even with people. There are too many joints meant to bend. The only way to know what is going on under the casting material is to remove it which has its own difficulties.
    The idea of casting is to encourage the ligaments/tendons to contract, hopefully to a satisfactory position but with this comes lack of actual weight bearing which the bones need to grow true. Kind of a ****ed if you do, ****ed if you don't situation. Fortunately contracture can sometimes occur quickly.
    This is a tough call situation but if this little guy is like all the animals I've ever had he will let you know what to do.
    I wish you well.
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        11-02-2011, 03:37 AM
      #30
    Foal
    Yes, I am not from USA. I am from Romania. And here, in my country, even if we have riders and competitions we are not at the same level with countries like Germany, Austria...etc. We don't have a riding culture and we don't have a hospital for big animals. Everyone here if has a problem with the horse...takes the horse in the van at goes with it in Hungary for big treatmens and big problems. In the first week with the little pony. I have sent an email to the hospital from Hungary and the doctor who ansewered me ..told me that he might have a chance but this it will be seen in the future...when he will grow. And at that moment, exist the possibility for surgey...or...with some luck..his ligaments will get stronger. That is why I want to give him a chance and that for the moment I don't want to put him ti sleep.2 month ago we went with a horse in Hungary..he had a problem with the knee joint from the front right leg,he got his surgery and treatment and now he is recovering.
    It is very sad that here..in Romania,in the Danube Delta we have wild horses that are beeing captured by people and sent at the slaughterhouse for money (between 100-500 euros) with the reason that the wild horses are distroing the forest..and because the people from that area don't have jobs..and they don't have a monthly income.
         

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