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  • How much optizyme should i feed horse with diarrhea
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    01-17-2008, 10:38 PM
  #1
Foal
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My 24 year old gelding has been suffering from diarrhea which I have been controlling with MannaPro's Opti-Zyme. I feed him 1 oz with his evening grain.

My question is if anyone knows of an alternative treatment I can give him. I'm open to natural options and other medicines to buy, so any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
     
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    01-18-2008, 12:46 AM
  #2
Foal
This is a pink liquid that you can get from the vet... I can't recall the name but I have some in the barn and I could check on that for you. Have you checked your horse for other problems? Or Ulcers? This stuff is fantastic! My TB had some ulcer problems was having diarrhea and not eating well, this stuff helped a LOT!!! It's great! IT's like a horsey-pepto-bismol (it's not an ulcer treatment though, it's basically a diarrhea helper and stomach soother, the best thing for ulcers in my opinion is GastroGard which is super expensive from the vet, and a cheaper alternative is Finish Line U-7). Anyway, good luck!
     
    01-18-2008, 01:06 PM
  #3
Foal
First thing I'd do is have a Vet check him over real good.
Then I'd give some thought to modifying his diet. Grain is harder to digest than pelleted feed. And besides that, a good pelleted feed will have a better-balance of nutrients.

I don't know a lot about diarrhea in horses and what little I do know may not apply to your guy.
But FWIW, here it is:

Grains, oats, corn etc, are hard to digest.
Some horses won't tolerate alfalfa(sp?) hay. If that is case with yours, that alone will lead to diarrhea.
Wormy horses sometimes get it.
A more common cause is the loss of "good bacteria" in their system.
Keep his water clean....don't allow hay residue, leaves, pine needles or green-stuff to accumilate in there.
If you are on "city water", there might be some sort of chemical in there that is agrivating his system.
Watch for cribbing or wind-sucking. Either can/will lead to stomach problems. I've also heard Vets say that stomach problems will lead to cribbing.... so in that respect, such behaivior can be a sort of "chicken or the egg?" type condition.

But no matter what, I'd get a Vet involved.

Hope something here helps.
Good luck.

DGW
     
    01-18-2008, 04:12 PM
  #4
Foal
Thanks for the replies, and information DWG. I appreciate all the help! What baffles me, is he has been looked over fully and the vet said nothing is wrong. He has no ulcers which I thought first off. I clean his water daily, and he isn't fed any alfalfa as I buy my cousin's hay. He isn't on city water, I asked the lady I board from as he did get really sick off of it at the last place. The Opti-Zyme is supposed to replace missing good bacteria, so maybe that isn't working the way it should.

As for his diet, I have him on TizWhiz's senior pellet. Sorry I said grain, I have the habbit of saying it when I mean his feed. He is due for deworming in a week, but I've kept him regular by deworming him every two months. I've used Ivermectrin each time for the past 4 years, and as far as I remember I never used anything else.

Now I am very confused, so I'll have my vet come back out. Maybe we can get to the bottom of this. I'll also ask about GastroGard, thanks Tarvas!
     
    01-19-2008, 03:19 AM
  #5
Foal
Well, it sounds like you are doing everything that I would know to do......Well, allmost.

When your Vet gets out, you might go over your worming program.
I've gotten better results by switching wormers every other time. Reason I do that is.... Ivermectrin is a very good wormer but it aint effective on all types of worms. Or at least around here it aint. So, what I do is give mine the Ivermectrin first, then next time they get something else. Then the next time that they're due to get wormed, I switch back to the Ivermectrin.
I've also heard of cases that required a horse to be treated with something entirely different for tape worms. But your Vet should be testing for those already.

I'm somewhat baffled as to why your horse needs a constant supply of bacteria booster. I'd sure be talking that over with my Vet too.
I can't help with the Opti-Zyme. Never used it.
What I have used is ProBios.
ProBios is available in different forms but the type I used was a paste that came in a big tube...kinda like wormer does. My Vet sold me some for my Mare once. The dosage was 1/2 tube, once a day, untill I given her a total of 3 tubes.
Now bear in mind that I am not saying that is what (or how much) you should give yours. I'm just saying that the stuff I used was a one-time treatment-program. And that it worked.
It's nasty though. I had to mix it into a little bit of feed and then stir-in some pancake syrup...just so she'd eat it.
No way was she going to swallow it right out of the tube.

The only other idea I have is to talk to your cousin.
I'd be real interested to know what kind of hay it is, how it's been stored and what he uses for fertilizer.
Or you might just take a sample down to your County Extention Center and see if they can find anything about it that might be suspect.

That's all the ideas that I got.
Sorry that I'm not much help.

DGW
     
    01-21-2008, 01:12 PM
  #6
Foal
I think I might try using a different type of dewormer next time as you said. I know two of the other boarders at the barn use Quest Gel a lot, but the other boarder uses Strongid. I've read up about dewormers a bit, but what do you prefer?

I did get to talk to my vet Saturday morning, and she mentioned taking Night off his grain and giving him only hay and water. This morning his feces already looked closer to normal. What I believe this whole problem is is he just has an imbalance in the organisms in his intestines.

The vet will be out tomorrow to take another feces sample incase she missed something. Hopefully nothing else will come up. Thanks for all the help!
     
    01-22-2008, 01:23 PM
  #7
Foal
Around here, there's only about 3 different wormers that are commonly used by the manufacturer. By that I mean that there's only 3 different posions that kill the worms. I don't remember the names of them and surely can't spell them....but different poisons work better on different types of worms. And whatever it is, is listed on the package.

Having said that, I don't have a brand preference.
I use the Ivermectrin because it contains a poison which I've found to be very effective, I've used that brand a lot, I know what it looks like on the shelf and I can find it almost anywhere. But there's other brands that contain the same stuff and in the same amount.
As far as what to use for the "every other time" worming, I kinda alternate between the other 2 poisons.....depending on what my local feed store has on hand and what I used the time before.

The important thing here is that you attack a wide variety of worms. And that you do it regularly.
I worm mine every 2 months, by the calendar. And my horses are both perty big....so I just give them the whole dern tube-full.
I've also found it to be helpfull to move them to a different area of the pasture for a month or so, after worming. That gives whatever worms are on the ground time to die-off some, before the horses return.
Tape Worms are a whole 'nuther ball game. They require tube-worming and unless you're experienced in that area, you might want to let your Vet tackle that one. I might also add that I only treat for Tape Worms on an as-needed basis.

On the other hand, I live in S/E Texas and our climate probably promotes more worms(and bugs) than anywhere else in the Country. Your's may not require the same routine as mine.

I hope that you've found something here to be helpfull. But bear in mind that no matter what I (or someone else) tells you, your best bet is to follow your Vet's advice.

DGW
     
    01-22-2008, 05:44 PM
  #8
Foal
Get your vet out and he should figure out what the problem is :)
     

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