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post #1 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 06:29 PM Thread Starter
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Possible founder??? or is it a kidney issue?

So I have a 25 year old appendix quarter horse. Today when I was feeding him I saw that he was kind of "off" only someone who knows him would see why. He is usually VERY pushy around food and nickers whenever he sees someone. He did neither when I was around him. So I checked his feet (he has foundered before) and only his front left was hot (?) so I thought, oh great he has founder. But then he stretched himself out and went to the bathroom (number 1) and just stood there after he had gone all stretched out. Then 5 minutes later after getting the other horse fed, he went to the bathroom again (after walking around for a little). What worries me is that he hasn't touched his water all day long (we have around 2 inches of ice and no foot prints leading to water without shoes on them as he is barefoot while our other has shoes) his stall was COVERED in pee but no poo that I could see. Any ideas on what could be causing this? Is peeing quite frequently a sign of founder or colic or something kidney wise? Whenever I go out I seem him pee (which always seemed odd to me) but I have never seen him go more than once within 5 minutes. Sorry for the long post.
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post #2 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 06:33 PM
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Is he overweight? What kind of feed have you given him? When he foundered before, did you have him or did somebody else have him at the time?

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post #3 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 06:41 PM
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This is something you need to get the vet out for, sooner rather than later. This could be something as easy to diagnose as a urinary tract infection, to potential adrenal disease, pituitary tumors, etc. If you say he's NOT drinking and is still urinating frequently, that makes me think UTI, but a veterinarian needs to check him out and get treatment going.
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post #4 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 06:53 PM
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Would be getting vet out ASAP not drinking and peeing alot not good at all. Try offering him warm water that might get him too drink. With his age it could be anything I wouldnt mess around.
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post #5 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 07:04 PM Thread Starter
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I know. Its really bad. The roads are pretty much impassible with the ice. Also we have spent so much money on him and he is sooo skinny that my parents said the next visit from the vet would be the last...:( he has a body score of 3-4. He is really super skinny. His water is already heated. He was off his feed last night for a little (like 6 minutes) he grabbed a bite when I offered it to him and then left him in his stall with food and water so that I would be able to monitor how much he ate and drink. And he ate everything but I never did see him drink his water. Really is worrying me as I am only 15 and my parents don't believe me.
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It doesnt really sound like founder to me. His feet might be hot due to fever. I would look into kidney issues, and they are much more serious and it sounds like he needs veterinary attention right away.

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Maybe let your mom read the posts on here so she can see how serious this could be.But with the roads inpassible guess having vet right now wont work. Could you maybe talk to the vet over the phone. Tell him whats going on maybe something you could do for now till horse can be seen by vet. You"ll have to talk to your parents and see if you can get them too let you have the vet out.Best of luck hope things work out for you and your boy.
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Yes, get the vet on the phone and tell them exactly what is going on. And in the meantime I would get some table salt and pour some in your hand, if your horse is used to eating out of your hand, he will probably lick it up before he realizes what it is. If not, maybe mix it in with a handful of oats. The salt will make him realize how thirsty he is. The horse really needs to drink!

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be sure to explain the color to the Vet, Dark yellow, clear, cloudy whitish, reddish .. at his age it could be a number of things. If you can soak his feed , sr feeed I hope, then he could some fluid that way . I usually have some electrolytes around, powder form, so I can add it to soaked feed . Are you sure he has not drank, if the ground is frozen his hoove prints my not show . I would put some in a BUCKET and offer it to see if he drinking. Karo syrup added to warm water can entice them to drink .
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post #10 of 10 Old 12-28-2012, 11:09 PM
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It sounds like he definitely needs a vet visit. But it doesn't sound like founder at all. How does he walk and stand? Like it hurts, and trying to keep his weight back on his hind end? Or is he just stretched out while he's peeing?

My horse has had founder before, but she was overweight and eating too much green grass. She just didn't want to move and walked funny-- you know how founder is. Am interested in hearing what the vet says.

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