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        06-16-2013, 06:41 PM
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    Yearling
    Possible Laminitis - In need of info and encouragement

    Flash has been lame for two weeks :(

    He was fine on June 1st before I left town, but was moving really stiffly and stumbling when I came back on June 3rd. I thought he was just stiff and didn't see any head bobbing, so I went ahead and took him for an easy trail ride, but cut it short because my gut feeling was just telling me something was really wrong. So we came back. The farrier was scheduled for the next day, so she took a look at him and confirmed my suspicions that he was lame in both front feet. She couldn't see anything bad from his feet (in fact, they were looking really good!), but yet he was still moving stiffly and tenderly.

    At her recommendation, I switched him off of alfalfa to straight grass and gave him an easy week off, using hoof boots anytime I took him out. He was still lame on Friday, so I spoke with my vet, picked up bute and "Remission" and added it to his mash. He improved drastically on the bute (we stayed on for five days), and is still moving around with gusto and taking nice, big steps after being off the bute for 4 days, but every now and then he takes a short step or trips, which he's never done before. I confirmed this with my boarder yesterday that I wasn't just seeing things out of paranoia.

    So now the vet is coming out tomorrow at 10 to do a full eval and do his coggins for the move, but I'm worried sick about it now. Like you said, he's too young for lamanitis. I think I'm going to pick up some hoof boots for him to keep on 24/7 Monday depending on what the vet says.

    Any thoughts? I've got "lamanitis" swimming around in my head like a death sentence and hoping that it's something that can just get fixed up over time and not be a lifteime problem for him. Even if it is laminitis, can't it be at least managed so that he can live a long, healthy life? I don't care if he's never an "athletic" horse - he's got all the potential in the world and could do anything, but he's my baby and I only bought him to be my equine partner, even if it is just trail riding. I'm moving in August, and my new barn manager is willing to manage his food however we need to, including soaking all the sugars out of it.

    I'm just worried sick over this. What else could it be other than laminitis? I know I won't know anything for sure until the vet comes out, but any information, encouragement, or downright honesty about the situation would be appreciated. It drives me nuts to just sit here and wait....
         
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        06-16-2013, 08:09 PM
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    Yearling
    Who told you he's too young for laminitis? Any age horse can get laminitis.


    It's definitely not a death sentence. My gelding had several bouts when he was young and had a long riding career. In fact, I'm getting ready to bring him out of retirement at age 25. He's going to be a husband horse. :)
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        06-16-2013, 08:23 PM
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    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikelodeon79    
    Who told you he's too young for laminitis? Any age horse can get laminitis.


    It's definitely not a death sentence. My gelding had several bouts when he was young and had a long riding career. In fact, I'm getting ready to bring him out of retirement at age 25. He's going to be a husband horse. :)
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    I didn't mean too young as in it's not possible for him to get it. I meant too young as in I haven't even gotten him properly started with and now we may have to have to deal with this his entire life :(

    I do appreciate your story about your horse having a long riding career. Whatever it is (and hopefully it's nothing serious), I love this horse to pieces and will do whatever it takes to make sure he's happy and comfortable, not letting our partnership be cut short.
         
        06-16-2013, 08:26 PM
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    Yearling
    Oh, and sorry for the "you" reference - most of this was copied from a conversation with a friend :)
         
        06-16-2013, 08:34 PM
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    Trained
    Don't panic!
    It's not a death sentence. Good farrier/ trimmer work and the right kind of nutrition will do the trick.
    Once you have a " verdict" from your vet, you could take pics of his feet and post here, so the hoof experts can have a look and guide you in the right direction
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        06-16-2013, 09:01 PM
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    Yearling
    Luckily, I do have an excellent barefoot trimmer who has been working with his feet and correcting imbalances that he had when I got him for over a year, and he will have another highly recommended and knowledgable barefoot trimmer when we move. I'm going to get some video today when I go out, too.
         
        06-16-2013, 09:19 PM
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    Trained
    Then you're already a huge step ahead
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        06-17-2013, 08:23 AM
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    I have a couple of very important questions:

    1) How 'fat' is he? Fat horses are much more prone to founder than a horse in 'good' condition. 'Obese' horses and horses with a thick, 'cresty ' neck are just looking for a place to founder. They are VERY much at risk of getting laminitis and founder.

    2) Have you checked his feet for 'heat' early in the morning when they should be cold to the touch? Laminitis and founder cause heat and inflammation in the hoof. Since front feet are about 50 X more likely to founder than all four, you can easily compare the temperature of a horse's front feet to the same horse's hind feet. They should all feel cold to the touch early in the morning.

    IF he is fat and/or IF his feet feel warm or hot, he should be taken off of all grain and only fed hay that is low in sugar content. Learn more about this at www.safegrass.org

    IF he is fat AND IF his feet feel warm or hot, he should have x-rays taken to see if there is any founder (actual hoof damage) that has already occurred and then, he should be treated accordingly.
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        06-17-2013, 09:57 AM
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    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    I have a couple of very important questions:

    1) How 'fat' is he? Fat horses are much more prone to founder than a horse in 'good' condition. 'Obese' horses and horses with a thick, 'cresty ' neck are just looking for a place to founder. They are VERY much at risk of getting laminitis and founder.
    He's always been an easy keeper, and it was difficult to maintain a stricter diet for him because he was kept with my hard-to-keep endurance horse. However, I sold the other horse at the end of March, so he's been on his own for couple of months and I've cut back. Up to the lameness episode, he got two flakes of alfalfa 2x/day and a quart of Triple Crown Lite with Ultramin mixed in (I wanted to give him a little - but not much - Triple crown, so the Ultramin is needed to make sure he's getting all the minerals he's supposed to). Now, he's getting straight grass (no alfalfa, period), a little less than a quart of Triple Crown Lite + Ultramin + "Remission" (an anti-found supplement). This is what he looks like - would you consider him "fat"? He's heavy and stocky, yes, but what I've felt was "fat" my BO insists is "healthy", especially for a 3-year-old...




    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    2) Have you checked his feet for 'heat' early in the morning when they should be cold to the touch? Laminitis and founder cause heat and inflammation in the hoof. Since front feet are about 50 X more likely to founder than all four, you can easily compare the temperature of a horse's front feet to the same horse's hind feet. They should all feel cold to the touch early in the morning.
    The farrier was out around 10 in the morning and did check his feet for heat exactly like you said. There did seem to be a difference between the feet then, and I've checked since but I don't feel anywhere confident in my own evaluations. If there was heat when I checked, it didn't exactly jump out at me and I could just be making up subtle differences because I'm worried.

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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    IF he is fat and/or IF his feet feel warm or hot, he should be taken off of all grain and only fed hay that is low in sugar content. Learn more about this at www.safegrass.org
    See my first comments about the immediate diet change when he came up so lame and after the farrier had been out (within 24 hours). The diet change was good either way (I haven't wanted him on alfalfa because it's super rich here), but necessary if it was laminitis.

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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    IF he is fat AND IF his feet feel warm or hot, he should have x-rays taken to see if there is any founder (actual hoof damage) that has already occurred and then, he should be treated accordingly.
    We'll see what the vet says. T-02:00!

    Thank you so much for your clear and concise response Cherie and everyone else!
         
        06-17-2013, 10:06 AM
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    Trained
    Could you get foot pics ASAP please.....I do NOT like what I see in those pics....at all. And if it's only to make sure I have a vision problem...
         

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