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post #41 of 48 Old 06-17-2013, 07:38 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman View Post
To be honest, I personally, still wouldn't shoe. He's doing so good already, chances are, he, maybe with boots, could do the trip anyway, especially when in bedding.
I hope you'll find low NSC hay in NV....I'm having serious problems here......
His feet needed to be off the ground somehow, so I could either do theraputic boots (which he would probably take off like he did my Gloves) or do the shoes, which would last longer and (I'm assuming) be less maintenance.

My BO in Vegas has a few laminitis-prone horses that are managed carefully, including soaking their hay. She's been very supportive and is willing to do whatever it takes to make sure he's got what he needs. She even put me in contact with the barn vet, who she's used for 23+ years for her own horses, so he's got a team here as well as down there making sure he gets what ne needs.
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Just saying, since I'm struggling to find anything other than alfalfa or grain hay here, with the only alternative being orchard hay from the feedstore for 21$/ a bale....
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post #43 of 48 Old 06-18-2013, 10:20 AM
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The general thing I've found with shoes and laminitis is that as they're in so much pain if they have them on its best to leave them on and if they are unshod best to leave them that way
There is a product you can buy that you mix together that looks like putty, you fix it into the sole of the foot while its still soft and it goes in to the shape of the sole like a cast and it goes off just enough to be a support without being too hard. You have to fasten it in place with vet wrap or similar
We took vet and farrier advice and had shoes on my mare but the turning point for her was when I decided we would remove them because it was looking as if she wasn't going to make it so worth the risk
I am not anti-shoe by the way and when she went back into work I did have shoes on her again for a couple of years as she did seem a bit 'ouchy' on sharp stones and I don't get on well with boots - though the newer ones do seem to be getting better
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post #44 of 48 Old 06-18-2013, 11:06 AM
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It's called hoof casting. Pretty much the same cast material used for people, with padding put in place to protect the sole. It's flexible so the hoof mechanism is not blocked. Lasts quite some time, depending on weather conditions of course.
Look up Equi Cast.
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post #45 of 48 Old 06-18-2013, 11:55 AM
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Don't think shoes will be the anwser they will make him more sore I know this iv been through it with my own horse.
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I got great news today! The farrier came out and did his own evaluation and whatnot, and I was very pleased with the results.

First, while he isn't saying Flash didn't have laminitis, he determined that the primary cause of the lameness is thin soles. He's got about 4mm of sole when he should have nearly 3x as much. In fact, when I was cleaning out his feet beforehand, some sole flaked off. When the farrier came out, he showed me the same indent I had noticed earlier and showed me how, when pressed there, Flash reacted. For once, I was happy I could easily see what the farrier/vet was talking about. It was funny because when I said I saw it, he asked "do you really see it or are you just saying that you do?" so I was glad that I actually did see it lol

He's got the same thing going on in both fronts, but no sole issues in the back, which is normal. He just put regular shoes on the front to get his soles off the ground. I need to put cotton in the space between the shoe and where the soles are (the shoes cover it up a little, so it'll hold wedged-in cotton well) and soak it with iodine to get what sole he does have to harden up. I need to do that every 2-3 days for the next three weeks. Apparently it's a genetic thing with a small percentage of horses, so I just happened to get one that has that problem. Once we get down to Vegas and his feet have hardened up, I should be able to do a re-evaluation and possibly pull the shoes. To keep his feet healthy, he needs a hard, dry environment and plenty of exercise to keep his soles stimulated so they grow plenty of sole.

With proper care addressing both the risk factors for laminitis and encouraging him to produce plenty of sole, he should be just fine and even go well barefoot.
He had me walk him around with the shoes on gravel, including quick turns both directions, and he was moving well and stepping over himself, so he says there's no founder at all going on (though he could have had a brief but managed laminitis bout).

For the record, Flash was absolutely wonderful during the entire process and didn't show any signs of pain when the shoes went on. In fact, he was licking my hand most of the time - I must have had some Ultramin or something on it from making his mash. He was such a good boy and seemed quite happy - I was impressed with how well he behaved because he's usually not even that good for the barefoot trimmer!
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Flash seems to be doing much better with his shoes and was even playful today. Since the topic has changed from me wondering what the diagnosis was and wanting information to trying to figure out if he's sound again, I've started a new thread here. Thanks everyone for your help and support!
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post #48 of 48 Old 06-20-2013, 01:13 AM
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Jillybean, you have gotten good info/support here. I second the safegrass.org site. We have cared for my mare for 7yrs now w/laminitis. [she was 350 lbs overweight when I got her] I started reading to learn all I could about her care. My mare has only had one (what I would call bad) episode in all that time. Radiographs showed the worst hoof has 8 degrees rotation.
She gets a minimal amount of grain approved by my vet(no sugars of any sort), 24/7 hay from a trusted source (soaked) and she's in turn-out BUT wears a grazing muzzle when off the dry lot. Her feet are trimmed by a Natural trimmer every 6 wks. My husband keeps her rasped in between trims. [we try out best to keep her in balance]
Realize often laminitis is accompanied with other disorders as the horse gets older. We are seeing the likelihood of other issues in the future with her but she has and will be worth the time and trouble.
It's a daunting task as first and you will get so much contradicting information... but you can do this. Take it one day at a time.
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