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    11-17-2011, 01:58 AM
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Yearling
PPE (pre purchase exam)

I have some questions about PPE and I would love to get everyone's opinions here on this. In my area a good PPE can run you nearly a grand. So in some cases where you are buying a horse that is only... say... 3 grand, then i'm wondering if one should/would pay for the PPE.

Also in the same respects, if you have a wonderful horse whom is a total packer, is great for your riding style, is a babysitter or husband horse, but won't pass the FLEX... then what? Do you drop horse all together?
I would assume that most horses, in the grand scheme of things, struggle passing the PPE. Especially if we are talking about a horse that is a wee bit older, is used and ridden, and has changed owners a few times.

So how does everyone feel about this? Did you PPE your horse? Is it an absolute deal breaker when a horse doesn't "pass".
     
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    11-17-2011, 02:13 AM
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Trained
I have heard the rule of thumb of about 10% of the purchase price is what tour PPE should cost you. Depending on what you are expecting from the horse it may be more. With full X-rays, bone scans, etc... which would be expected for a PPE on a competition/performance horse I would consider $3-5k a good investment to ensure soundness. Of course, done progressively. If the horse fails a flexion test there is no point in X-raying it.

What is acceptable for performance in the PPE really depends on what you want the horse to do. A 10 year old GP horse advertised as an Olympic mount with a half mil price tag should vet perfectly. A 10 year old 4th level schoolmaster with a $20k price tag is going to show arthritic changes in the X-rays and will flex marginally.

For me, I had very high hopes for my horse when I was purchasing him and so he was very thoroughly vetted prior to purchase and passed with flying colours. For my next horse I expect the same. I would never purchase a horse intended for even lower level competition without a PPE, at least a flexion test and palpitation of the joints. At least to know what is going on. My first horse flexed stiff on one knee but we still purchased him because he was not expected to be a performance horse, just a horse to learn on, and the price was right ($5500 - ish).
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    11-17-2011, 02:30 AM
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I've never had a PPE done on a horse BUT I've never bought a major performance horse and while the most expensive horse I ever bought was $5,000 most of them fall between the $300 and $1500 range.
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    11-17-2011, 02:32 AM
  #4
Yearling
We bought Jesse knowing that he didn't pass his flex tests (he has arthritic changes in his hocks) but bought him anyway because we had known him for a few years already, he had never shown any lameness (apart from a hoof abcess) and was a very safe horse for my mom and I to learn on. It's been six years since we bought him and his hocks have never bothered him.

He has shown up to FEI Juniors and can jump very well (although we have not done so extensively) and he seems fine. Now, he may just be an exception, but if you are looking for a safe horse that fits all of your expectations but doesn't pass his flex test I think it should be fine. However, if the horse fails that test miserably and ends up dead lame, I'd stay away.
     
    11-17-2011, 02:51 AM
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Green Broke
I spent $500 on the PPE I had done on my gelding. He didn't exactly fail the flexion test but seemed a teeny bit off on one leg during it, so I opted for x-rays which revealed he had a very small amount of sidebone in that leg.

The PPE was totally worth it IMO, not only did the seller reduce his price by more than the cost of the PPE when she was showed the results, she also added a clause to his purchase contract whereby if he develops lameness caused by the sidebone, she will refund his purchase price and take him back.
     
    11-17-2011, 03:28 AM
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Yearling
I did a PPE on both my guys when I bought them. Both of which had issues with passing flex in one place or another. However, both of which never had/have issues with it. It's pretty interesting to see everyone's opinions on this.
     
    11-17-2011, 03:34 AM
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Would depend on what I was paying for the horse, I suppose. My parents passed on a $2500 gelding after spending $300 on a PPE and being told that, while he was currently OK, he was predisposed to navicular disease....

I had them do PPE on another $2500 horse they bought, but the vet was not thorough and had no interest in being thorough. It was a cheap, wasted trip. Luckily the horse is "sound enough."

I've not had a PPE done on any of the horses I own, but most of them were either cheap or purchased before I knew the value of it. None of them came with signficant pre-existing lameness problems....yet they all eventually developed them. So there you go.
     
    11-17-2011, 04:09 AM
  #8
Green Broke
If you can afford to have a horse that may end up lame, and a horse to ride, then I'd say skip it.
If, like me, you enjoy riding and wish to be able to ride your horse for as long as possible, however you don't have the money for a pasture decoration, and a riding horse, spending that extra on a PPE is a very good idea. I had one on Duffy despite only paying 3.800 for her, and xrays on her front legs as she's pigeon toed. She passed, she's healthy, she dishes slightly but I'm never going to be a GP rider so no problems!

I think its worth doing. I tried a mare out, and she rode beautifully, going on the cheap as she was too much horse for the girl and parents had more money than sense.. she failed it miserably. My 300 vets check cost 20 they had to stop it so soon. If I hadn't had that, I would have bought her and she'd be unrideable due to a back problem and issues with her hind legs.
     
    11-17-2011, 08:06 AM
  #9
Trained
I have done it on most (just not the last) horses I have owned, even tho I never buy one for more that $5k. I do not do x-rays tho, and just do a general PPE with a vet I know and trust. It has always been my opinion that NO horse (or person, house, etc for that matter) is 100% perfect. This is particularly true if you are doing x-rays. If you look hard enough, you will find a flaw. The key is to know what it is, and understand what the impact may be on your future with that particular horse. Is it a "red herring" or something that will realistically affect performance? Is it something you are willing and able to deal with?
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    11-17-2011, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
I have done it on most (just not the last) horses I have owned, even tho I never buy one for more that $5k. I do not do x-rays tho, and just do a general PPE with a vet I know and trust. It has always been my opinion that NO horse (or person, house, etc for that matter) is 100% perfect. This is particularly true if you are doing x-rays. If you look hard enough, you will find a flaw. The key is to know what it is, and understand what the impact may be on your future with that particular horse. Is it a "red herring" or something that will realistically affect performance? Is it something you are willing and able to deal with?

100% perfect..well..there's me ;D

Totall agree though, if he is able to do the work you're looking to do, then why not? If there is a chance too much work will cause him discomfort, I dunno if I'd buy. It depends also if you're keeping this horse for life, or there may be some unfortunate instance where you may have to sell on. If you do, and you buy a horse that fails its vet check, you'll find it very hard to sell on imo.
     

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