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post #11 of 27 Old 05-07-2013, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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Well this is my best friend and its so depressing because I wanted him to be my partner so bad. I am going to talk to my farrier and vet and try to get him sound. I am keeping him no matter what. I will never sell him. That would break my heart. Maybe I can give some lessons on him and get a younger athlete. And he can be my trail and just English pleasure/flat horse. If he can't be used for eventing. But we will see
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post #12 of 27 Old 05-07-2013, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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I was also reading that in addition to correct shoeing and wedges, training him to carry his weight mostly on his hind end will take pressure off the front where the navicular is. I mean we should be doing this anyways, but I didn't even think of that helping
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I would NOT put him in wedges just yet. There are other things that work better depending on what his feet look like and how his old farrier has been shoeing him. Most Navicular Syndrome is due to bad shoeing / trimming and is simply deep flexor tendon pain for a good while before the Navicular bone is very involved.

I would like to see photos of him standing square and know when his last shoeing date was. Obviously, a horse is going to look a lot different when they are long and due for a reset or new shoes.

The first indication any horse gives that he is experiencing heel pain is when he starts landing toe first instead of heel first or flat.

Would you take picture of this horse's feet from the side and from the front.
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He was last shod April 5. In the 4 years that I've had him, I've had the same farrier. He never makes his toe long and he is recommended by vets and many others. The vet I went to knows him and said he's been doing a great job. He is also a race horse trainer and is very experienced. Long before I got him, a vet in California owned him. I want to say he was about 7 years old at the time. She neglected him and had him in a dirty stall 24/7 and had him shod all the way around and he was in dire need of farrier care. Since those shoes were pulled, he hasn't had shoes on until now. I only shod him because I ride on a lot of rocks and I had a 2 day trail ride full of rocks. The vet commented that he stands up a lot better shod. He is slightly club footed but nothing to cause any problems. I always noticed he tripped often but he never limped until this past December. See Cherie we have a navicular horse and he walks like a navicular horse. Toe first and like he's on eggshells. He has wedges and it helps some but I don't think it takes all of his pain away. Zahir doesn't walk like that. He walks and trots and moves lively and on his entire hoof. He never hesitates to move forward or backwards. Tim (our farrier) trims and shoes great. He's by far the best farrier I've ever had and is very honest. So if its true he is navicular, what else is there to do? Or could his reaction to the pincers be from the thrush and the vet made a mistake? It's 9 pm here and dark ill have to get those squared up pics in the morning for you.
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It bothers me that the vet came to navicular that quickly after pinching his frog. Should I get a second opinion
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I still want to see what they look like.

You do not need a different opinion. Heel pain is heel pain. Like I said before, it is a symptom like belly pain is called colic, heel pain is called Navicular Syndrome. It seldom actually starts with any problem with the Navicular Bone. It has to be painful for a long time before the Navicular Bone is the problem. I would not waste my time or money on hoof x-rays. Most sound horses have some irregularities on their Navicular Bone if they are x-rayed and many total cripples have normal Navicular Bone on x-rays. Bones don't hurt. The tendons can hurt and the Navicular Bursa can hurt (bursitis), but the bone does not have nerves. It usually takes years of foot pain to get the bone to that point.

The main problem with catching Navicular Syndrome early is that if the horse has both feet hurting, he won't be 'lame' until one gets worse or hurts more. The most telling thing I have seen is that when one hoof is blocked in the heel area, the horse goes dead lame on the other hoof. Then and only then, do many people realize how much their horse has been hurting. Some horses are all heart and just keep on going for us. He may well get over most of this with 'good shoeing' (usually not wedges in my experience). If he is not mincing along landing toe first and does not 'give' real hard to his feet when he is turned sharply, he may be getting diagnosed early enough to give you several years of good riding.

Did I mention that I would REALLY like to see his feet before you re-shoe him.
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Okay I get what you're saying. It's a very broad term. But there's no way wedges can do anything but help the pain right? I will put pics up here in the morning. Is there anything else I can do to slow this down
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I think they can actually contribute to the long-term problem. The key to getting most horses with Navicular syndrome the greatest long-term relief is to facilitate a quicker 'break-over', not elevating the heels.

I used to recommend wedge shoes or wedge pads underneath shoes and they would work for a while and them the horse would get much worse. This used to be the standard way to go. Then a few farriers and natural trimmers and myself watched the break-over and figured out that was what was causing the deep flexor tendon stress that some horses just cannot take.

You need to really work on the thrush. You do not need more heel pain sources. What did the Vet recommend for the thrush?

One other thing -- does this horse have contracted heels. That helps to tell if his heels have been sore for a long time.

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I have some stuff I can use on the thrush. It'll be gone pretty quick. What exactly is the break over? I'm about to go out and get pics of him.
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I don't know how any vet can 100% diagnose something like navicular or severe splint or tendon damage without an X ray or ultrasound
An abscess forming in the foot will have the same reaction to pressure as will laminitis onset, deep bruising or even a fractured pedal/coffin bone
You could be treating something that doesn't even exist while ignoring a real problem
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