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    08-24-2009, 11:14 AM
  #1
Foal
Proper horse nutrition

Hi everyone! I wanted to pick everyone's brains about horse nutrition. I have been so dissatisfied with molasses and high starch feeds recently, that I took my horses off marketed feeds and put them on hay pellets, alfalfa pellets, flax seeds, and a commercial horse vitamin (they also get orchard grass hay throughout the day). I was amazed that my "hot" horses calmed down and still maintain proper weight.

I hear about people having horses with Insulin Resistance, Cushing's Disease, and other metabolic problems and can't help but look at what we are feeding. So, I wanted to open up a discussion about this matter. What are your favorite feeding programs? A lush pasture is our dream, but when that turns south, what do you do? What are dangerous issues you have faced with improper mineral ratios? I am excited to hear from you!
     
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    08-24-2009, 11:18 AM
  #2
Weanling
I believe that I could possibly be dealing with a IR horse. I will try to have her tested in the near future for this but have done some reading and there are special feeds for IR horses. Seminole/Wellness seems to be the best to me. They are low carb feeds. You can visit the website to learn a lot more about their feeds and what ingrediants they have etc.
     
    08-24-2009, 11:53 AM
  #3
Foal
I guess my question to you would be what is the cause of IR? I mean in humans, that is Type II Diabetes, which although genetic, has strong associations with diet (in particular high fructose corn syrup). Is IR in horses the consequence of a lifetime of high starch feeding?? I will check out that site.
     
    08-24-2009, 12:30 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by aynelson    
I guess my question to you would be what is the cause of IR? I mean in humans, that is Type II Diabetes, which although genetic, has strong associations with diet (in particular high fructose corn syrup). Is IR in horses the consequence of a lifetime of high starch feeding?? I will check out that site.
I would love someone to answer that question! I've wondered if IR was like Type 1 (genetic precondition) or Type 2 (environmental factors) type diabetes?
     
    08-24-2009, 12:35 PM
  #5
Yearling
Ah, the great feed debate......LOL It's great you found a combination that works for you.

You haven't indicated the amount of pellets you feed so I can't comment or compare to what I feed.

I have four horses all with different requirements. I have a 35+year old POA who has no teeth and founders at the drop of a hat. Your comment about lush pastures being a dream, would be a nightmare for a horse like her. She's on a soaked hay cubes feed 5 times per day and a non grain based supplement pellet is feed according to her optimal weight and Mag Oxz. The pellet is Life Line All Phase which is 20% protein.

The two older QH's are extremely easy keepers, they get a grass alfalfa mix and a plain grass hay also feed 5 times per day and Hoffman's which is general vit and mineral supplement.

We also have a 2 year old something or other......LOL we have no idea what his breeding is. He gets the hay the big guy's get and in the morning and night he gets the All Phase, mag oxz.

Here's the 2 year old:


Here's the big guy's and the 2 year old:


And here's the old lady....LOL

     
    08-24-2009, 12:42 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by hotreddun    
I would love someone to answer that question! I've wondered if IR was like Type 1 (genetic precondition) or Type 2 (environmental factors) type diabetes?
There are tons of articles on I/R, Cushings and other metabolic issues.
This is a good article.
Insulin Resistance and Cushing’s syndrome in horses


I/R is simular in people and horses.
     
    08-24-2009, 12:44 PM
  #7
Weanling
Well my horse is on grass, and only grass. He got sweet feed in the beggining of the year, because he was thin. We later found out that two of his teeth were too long and he couldn't chew his food very well (it fell out of his mouth). Remi got his teeth floated and now he has some chub...well alot of chub.

My moms horse never gets grain and is always as fat as a pig xD

The old lady (Brandy) gets two scoops of senior feed and some canola oil. The vet said with her great teeth she could live another 10-15 years (she's 27 now).
     
    08-24-2009, 12:55 PM
  #8
Weanling
Here are some good article about IR
Equine Insulin Resistance Proven USDA Certified Therapy

This site is also very helpful
http://www.safergrass.org/articles/index.html
     
    08-24-2009, 05:45 PM
  #9
Yearling
That first article Classical is a good read!
     
    08-24-2009, 06:46 PM
  #10
Trained
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I guess my question to you would be what is the cause of IR? I mean in humans, that is Type II Diabetes, which although genetic, has strong associations with diet (in particular high fructose corn syrup). Is IR in horses the consequence of a lifetime of high starch feeding?? I will check out that site.
I've been doing a lot of research into diets for horses prone to tying up, before changing my boys diet. Latest research seems to show a link between IR horses, Cushings, laminitis, tying up and other similar issues and the NSC levels in feeds (Non Structural Carbohydrates (I think)). Studies have been done and a healthy level of NSC in feeds for horses is < 12%. Most feeds advertised as suitable for IR horses, etc have NCS levels of anywhere up to 50%. There is a big push for NSC levels to be mandatory in feed labelling to horse owners can more accurately choose feeds suitable for IR, Cushings, tying up and laminitic horses.

This article has the graph showing the levels of NSC in a few Australian horse feeds marketed as 'cool' or suitable for laminitic, IR, Cushings of tying up horses. Very interesting.

An article that has a chart showing the rough NSC levels of different hays and grains commonly fed to horses.

As a result of my research I have swapped my boy from a mixed sweet-feed to a diet of Speedi-Beet, Copra meal, and white chaff. He has only been on it for a week, so time will tell if it will be a benefit, but my guess is yes.
     

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