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    08-08-2010, 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by Cat    
Since he is full draft - I would look into a EPSM diet. Even if he does not have EPSM (he could - that may be one of the reasons why he is having issues with gaining muscle mass and its a high likely hood since he is draft) - the diet is still wonderful for building muscle mass. For the most part it can be obtained by feeding forage and then instead of grain using alfalfa pellets and oil. While your vet and trainer are saying "no" to oil - have they actually researched EPSM in draft horses and how this diet can really help draft horses? If I were you - I would do a little research myself.
My vet has two draft horses and three other horses so she has experience with drafts. Is there a test for epsm? Sammy came to me underweight and he came from a very bad past where he just wasn't fed much of anything at all so I'm hoping it's just a matter of under worked under fed.
I'll look into the diet a bit and see if it's something he'll do. He has all these weird eating habits that we're still figuring out. Not sure where he learned them or picked them up.
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    08-08-2010, 08:40 PM
I'll see what I can do about the rice bran. I'll go to the feed store tomorrow and see if they have a smaller bag of it to try on him or maybe I can bring it back if he still doesn't like it.
    08-08-2010, 09:06 PM
Green Broke
I heard they were working on a un-invasive test but I'm not sure if they ever got it completed yet. I know they can take a muscle biopsy and find out that way. Easier just to try the diet.
    08-08-2010, 10:12 PM
Green Broke
I haven't had good luck with rice bran. IME, flax meal has worked better, and is supposed to be good for EPSM horses. Horsetech.com has a good NutraFlax product (prices include shipping) and they will custom blend ingredients if you want to make an "all in one" supplement. They can add in the extra amino acids and some probiotics. They can also add some flavoring!
    08-08-2010, 10:16 PM
Well that sounds pretty good I'll look into that. I'm trying to figure out his quirks still with food, so far I think I'm confusing myself so I'm writing all of it down. What goes with what and what doesn't go with what and all that fun stuff. Oh and all the if this is mixed with that he won't eat it and yeah...
    08-11-2010, 01:33 AM
I didn't get to the barn until later today but my trainer texted me and let me know the girl who half leases Sammy came out and rode him. Vicki (my trainer) said she instructed her to work him into a good sweat and work a lot on his bad side with bending, listening to the leg, giving to her hands and moving him forward, then for cooling off she backed him up a lot in hand and on the ground and work a little with being responsive for in hand ground work for halter and what not. Vicki said he had some good sweat marks through his hind quarters and saddle/girth area, not so much on his chest but he was warm before cool down.
Tomorrow I'll be picking up 4 more bags of alfalfa pellets and we'll be upping the amount he gets. I tried some of the rice bran a friend of mine has and he snorted at it and didn't touch it. We're raising the amount of beat pulp he gets too and he'll be getting worked an hour each day 5 days a week working on bending and using his hind end so hopefully that should help with muscle. We're slowly getting there but he's doing better every day.

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