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    08-27-2008, 10:14 AM
  #1
Showing
Question about hoof supplement

I was recommended horseshoers secret. However here is my question:
Almost ANY hoof supplement besides the biotin and amino acids also include minerals/vitamins. But there are the same minerals/vitamins I provide to my horses in grain.

Is there a risk of getting TOO much of certain vitamins/minerals?
     
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    08-27-2008, 10:19 AM
  #2
Green Broke
Yes there is....now as to which ones, I'm a little fuzzy on.

I know that horses should not be fed excess amounts of slenium...
     
    08-27-2008, 10:31 AM
  #3
Started
I have found it to be cheaper to go with a ration balancer taht includes my biotin and amino acids then to add a supplement

Depending on where you are as to what ones you can get

Most of the vitamins have toxic reaction which is why instead of recommeneding supplements I like to know the WHOLE feeding program before saying anything

In all reality if you are on a good feed plan to start you won't need anything extra besides joint supplements for the horses that NEED them
     
    08-27-2008, 11:45 AM
  #4
Weanling
It's not always the amount of certain vitamins that makes them toxic, but the proportion to other key vit/mins. Some vit/min will block absorption of others, neutralizing them. They pass through unabsorbed, (this is why calcium supplements for people include vitamin D, you can eat straight calcium in mass quantities, and not absorb as much as you would if you ate a little with the complimentary vitamin (not to mention getting constipated by the calcium). ALso, this is why you are told to eat a balanced diet instead of just vitamin pills, scientists can't and don't know how all the vitamins affect each other so even with a supplement, you probably don't absorb all that the label claims you are getting.

IT's the same with horses, good feed is better, but supplements can help.

It depends on what kind of nurients are being over dosed. Fat solubles are more danger5ous, as the horse will just store it in the fat cells, but water soluable, like vitamin C, is passeed out in urine if not needed, waste of your money, but essentially harmless.
     
    08-27-2008, 11:52 AM
  #5
Showing
They basically gets very little oats and pellets and I add Dumor Vitamin/Mineral mix to the oats. It does have supply for lots of vit and min, but no biotin and amino acids there.
     
    08-27-2008, 12:20 PM
  #6
Started
This is my FEED that I feed 1lb a day of and can add any unfortified item for extra calories

Calculated
Crude protein, % 32
Crude Fat, % 5.0
Calcium, % 3.5
Phosphorus, % 1.9
Salt, % 2.0
Cr fiber, % 5.9
Copper, ppm 280
Iron, ppm 825
Manganese, ppm 660
Zinc, ppm 785
Se, ppm 3.0
Potassium, % 1.5
Magnesium, % .4
Lysine, % 1.85
Methionine, % .45
Threonine, % 1.2
Tryptophan, % .44
Vit A, IU/lb 30,500
Vit D, IU/lb 400
Vit E, IU/lb 50
Menadione, mg/lb 2.3
Riboflavin, mg/lb 10
Niacin, mg/lb 32
Pantothenic Acid, mg/lb 25
Choline, mg/lb 750
Vitamin B12, mg/lb .095
Folic acid, mg/lb 10
Biotin, mg/lb 3.35
Thiamine, mg/lb 27
Ascorbic Acid (vit C), mg/lb 50
Estimated Starch & sugars, % 5.8
1310 kcal/lb DE for Horse Go 32


Here is Horseschoer's Secret
Active Ingredients:..........................Per 3 oz ..... Per 6 oz
Calcium.........................................17 00 mg ..... 3400 mg
Methionine.................................... 1446 mg ..... 2892 mg
Lysine ........................................... 936 mg ...... 1872 mg
Omega 3 Fatty Acids
(Flax Meal Alpha-linolenic) ............ 510 mg ...... 1020 mg
Phosphorus .................................... 426 mg ....... 852 mg
Zinc .............................................. 150 mg ........ 300 mg
Omega 3 Fatty Acids
(Soybean Oil Alpha-linolenic) .......... 95 mg ........ 190 mg
Copper ............................................ 50 mg ........ 100 mg
Biotin .............................................. 7.5 mg ......... 15 mg
     
    08-27-2008, 02:24 PM
  #7
Showing
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I know it's recommended to have up to 20 m of biotin plus amino acids for the bad hoofs (so horse...secret is a good one to use). My vit/min mix is something like what you posted for your feed too. Now both of them have copper, zinc, and something else. So that's what concern me. Anyway, I probably will do more research on the amount... :)

Thanks, All!!
     
    08-27-2008, 02:38 PM
  #8
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I know it's recommended to have up to 20 m of biotin plus amino acids for the bad hoofs (so horse...secret is a good one to use). My vit/min mix is something like what you posted for your feed too. Now both of them have copper, zinc, and something else. So that's what concern me. Anyway, I probably will do more research on the amount... :)

Thanks, All!!
This is what is provided at 1 1/2 lbs per day
Crude protein .48 lbs
Crude Fat 34.02 g
Calcium 23.81 g
Phosphorus 12.93 g
Salt 13.61 g
Cr fiber 40.14 g
Copper 190.51 mg
Iron 561.32 mg
Manganese 449.06 mg
Zinc 534.11 mg
Se 2.04 mg
Potassium 10.21 g
Magnesium 2.72 g
Lysine 12.59 g
Methionine 3.06 g
Threonine 8.16 g
Tryptophan 2.99 g
Vit A 45,750 IU
Vit D 600 IU
Vit E 75 IU
Menadione 3.45 mg
Riboflavin 15 mg
Niacin 48 mg
Pantothenic Acid 37.5 mg
Choline 1125 mg
Vitamin B12 .14 mg
Folic acid 15 mg
Biotin 5.02 mg
Thiamine 40.5 mg
Ascorbic Acid (vit C) 75 mg

What I am saying is if you switch to a ration balancer type of supplement you may not NEED the hoof supplement I tried them all and I kid you not I went threw two buckets of all the "top" ones plus some that I went off of numbers and I have had better luck with the ration balancer because it is OVERALL balanced
     
    08-28-2008, 07:45 PM
  #9
Foal
How about feeding a straight biotin? Gen-A-Horse makes a good one, its 20mg Biotin in a powder. I had good luck with it. Its not real pricey and does a good job.
     
    08-28-2008, 07:55 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by jerseypacer
How about feeding a straight biotin? Gen-A-Horse makes a good one, its 20mg Biotin in a powder. I had good luck with it. Its not real pricey and does a good job.
without the amino acids, bioton alone will do NOTHING :)
     

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