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post #1 of 45 Old 09-26-2008, 09:07 PM Thread Starter
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random white spots appearing on a chestnut horse

My chestnut mare has always had little white dots around her ears, and even some little white areas in her mane.
She has absolutely no appaloosa/paint/whatever in her.
She's a TB/Arab/Oldenburg cross.
I've never thought anything of it, until recently, now within the last few weeks she's been getting little white dots in random places.
Her flank, side of her belly, her butt, shoulder.
It's not from her saddle or any other tack because all through summer I've been riding her bareback. So nothing is causing unwanted pressure, and it's not from a bite or kick from another horse and hair just grew back white.
Just one day she has just one or two dots and the next she has another! I've asked my old trainer about it, and she suggested that maybe it was genetic. And it may be, but I'm concerned that there's a slight chance it may be something else.
We just got a new chestnut QH gelding at the stable I work at for trail rides. The horse is older and he lived by himself and was super fat before he came to us. Now he's in shape, lives with 4 other geldings, and has a rump full of dots! He had no dots what-so-ever when he first came or even for the first few months. It has only happened just recently. My mare and this gelding aren't in the same paddock together, and they never come in contact with each other at any other time. Could this be from stress? Maybe for the gelding? But my mare has lived at the stable her whole life, she's at a good weight, she doesn't seem any different. She seems perfectly happy to me. Just wondering if you guys know what causes these mystery dots, or if you ever had a horse with the same thing?
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post #2 of 45 Old 09-27-2008, 12:28 AM
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I would think it might be a protein deficiency, at least that's what it was with a friends chestnut, although I can't tell you how to diagnose or treat, but someone on here should have an idea.

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post #4 of 45 Old 09-27-2008, 08:27 PM
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Sonny has that also....but I think it's his Paint in him, but I'm curious to know what might be causing it in your horse
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post #5 of 45 Old 09-27-2008, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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I read off of another forum (below) that's it's a genetic thing that's comes from a TB named Birdcatcher, and that they're called Bird Spots or Birdcatcher Spots. Has anyone else ever heard of this? My mare has thoroughbred in her, but I don't know if Birdcatcher is. Although, on the forum it did say that Birdcatcher lived in the 1800s!
http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...ots-92479.html
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i've been doing more reading
And found another link about unusual horse markings that includes the Birdcatcher spots
Really interesting... :)


http://equinecolor.com/unusual.html
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Re: random white spots appearing on a chestnut horse

My 17.2h Westfalen has birdcatcher spots. I first saw him when he was 3 and he had only a few spots. I bought him in May 2008 and he is covered in white spots and I can see him getting more. He is a dark bay, with a black mane and tail and three white socks and he has spots all over his face, his throat latch, neck and some on his body. The way his skin changes is the spots actually get black first and then the hair turns white. He never loses the hair, it turns from bay, then black and then white. It is very strange. My vet says that they are not sure where it comes from, possibly the THBD "Birdcatcher". I researched my horses blood lines and on the Dam's Side (her name is Karess out of Diadora (hann) by Kalypso (hann) and sure enough he has Bircatcher in his lineage. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/birdcatcher
The most interesting thing is he doesn't have any white spots in his black legs. In fact the spots end right at the black. Weird....

It is pretty amazing! Search the links for your horses ancestors and you might find it.


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My chestnut mare has always had little white dots around her ears, and even some little white areas in her mane.
She has absolutely no appaloosa/paint/whatever in her.
She's a tb/Arab/Oldenburg cross.
I've never thought anything of it, until recently, now within the last few weeks she's been getting little white dots in random places.
Her flank, side of her belly, her butt, shoulder.
It's not from her saddle or any other tack because all through summer I've been riding her bareback. So nothing is causing unwanted pressure, and it's not from a bite or kick from another horse and hair just grew back white.
Just one day she has just one or two dots and the next she has another! I've asked my old trainer about it, and she suggested that maybe it was genetic. And it may be, but I'm concerned that there's a slight chance it may be something else.
We just got a new chestnut qh gelding at the stable I work at for trail rides. The horse is older and he lived by himself and was super fat before he came to us. Now he's in shape, lives with 4 other geldings, and has a rump full of dots! He had no dots what-so-ever when he first came or even for the first few months. It has only happened just recently. My mare and this gelding aren't in the same paddock together, and they never come in contact with each other at any other time. Could this be from stress? Maybe for the gelding? But my mare has lived at the stable her whole life, she's at a good weight, she doesn't seem any different. She seems perfectly happy to me. Just wondering if you guys know what causes these mystery dots, or if you ever had a horse with the same thing?
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post #8 of 45 Old 10-06-2008, 09:58 AM
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There's a chestnut Oldenburg at our barn who has birdcatcher spots. It's a really weird thing, I think! Her owner will pull her out of her stall and find a new spot on her. There's a cluster of smeared looking spots on her flank that looks like a small child wiped his painty fingers off on her. :) Not common, but not a health issue.
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birdcatcher spots

Can and do birdcatcher spots move around on the body. I know that sounds strange. I have own a chestnut Arabian that in the past 4 years has developed white spots that are located each year on different area's of his body by proof of coggins tests. This year is the most spots that he has and I have counted 35 total. Each year he gets more spots then the prior year. Is there anything that can be done to get rid of them?
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post #10 of 45 Old 05-05-2009, 08:26 PM
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yes birdcatcher spots can move around, get bigger or smaller or change shape, no-one really knows about the genetic expression that causes these other than the first horse recorded as having them being a TB called Birdcatcher. As far as I know if they are Birdcatcher spots and not causes by any thing else, you can't get rid of them so I think you just have to get used to having a quirky coloured horse :)

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