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  • Is rice bran healthier then beet pulp for horses

 
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    11-23-2008, 03:30 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Peggysue    
Most rice bran supplements are at least 20% fat so how are they just a filler

Beet pulp is 1300Kcal per pound and great for a horse that needs weight or more fiber

I posted some really good TRUE fact links above that are very educational about the myths and realities of beet pulp ...
oops, I made a mistake there. I didn't mean to include rice bran as a filler. Beet pulp, however, is.

Per lb. (dry) beet pulp has about 1000 calories-sometimes much less. I know mine at home has 1020 per lb. It also has absolutely no value for vitamins, with the exception of fiber (where its quite good actually, at about 20%) In addition to that, it has a relatively low protein level (between 7-8%) if you want weight gain, you are much better looking for something that is in the 1500-2000cal intake and something in the (12-14%)
http://www.animalhealthfoundation.co...tCanBeDone.pdf
(scroll down to almost the last page for a comparison of calories)

The problem with rice bran is that it has a high degree of phosophorus per lb. From a nutritional standpoint, its much healthier than beat pulp, in terms of fat content as well as vitamins, however the extremely high phosphorous levels makes calcium absorbtion harder. (and for that reason, you might want to consider rice bran oil, as it generally has a lower phospherous level)


The point is that beet pulp or rice bran should not JUST be used. If you want to use it in addition to something, then that's the way to go. If you are using it completely by itself, the horse


Also, if you have the opportunity to, see if you can split his meals into 2-3 servings instead of feeding all at once. Then he will be able to digest more and use the calories and fiber more beneficially.
     
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    11-23-2008, 07:12 PM
  #22
Started
BEET PULP, Dry Accumulated crop years: 05/01/2000 through 04/30/2008 Item Samples Average Normal Range St. Dev
% Dry Matter 692 91.780 90.289 93.271 1.491
% Crude Protein 612 9.460 7.950 10.969 1.509
Soluble Protein, % of CP 376 19.727 6.635 32.820 13.092
Degradable Protein, % of CP 26 49.241 36.667 61.815 12.574
% ADICP 186 1.131 0.424 1.837 0.707
% NDICP 181 5.278 4.095 6.460 1.183
% Lignin 201 3.680 1.223 6.138 2.458
% Acid Detergent Fiber 597 25.838 22.166 29.511 3.672
% Neutral Detergent Fiber 581 41.822 36.593 47.051 5.229
% Crude Fiber 44 17.673 15.018 20.328 2.655
% WSC (Water Sol. Carbs.) 291 10.308 3.023 17.594 7.286
% ESC (Simple Sugars) 69 9.216 4.629 13.802 4.587
% Starch 253 1.263 0.000 2.879 1.616
% Non Structural Carbo. (NSC) 192 11.808 3.940 19.675 7.867
% Non Fiber Carbo. (NFC) 501 45.017 39.476 50.557 5.540
% Crude Fat 302 1.404 0.054 2.755 1.351
% Ash 296 6.744 4.561 8.928 2.184
% TDN 574 65.889 62.159 69.620 3.731
NEL, Mcal/Lb. 574 0.684 0.641 0.727 0.043
NEM, Mcal/Lb. 574 0.658 0.600 0.716 0.058
NEG, Mcal/Lb. 574 0.391 0.340 0.443 0.052
Relative Feed Value (RFV) 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Relative Forage Quality (RFQ) 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Hay Crop Milk/Ton 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Corn Sil. Milk/Ton 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Proc. Corn Sil. Milk/Ton 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% IVTD 6 hr 4 67.111 67.111 67.111 0.000
NDFD 6hr, % of NDF 4 18.984 18.984 18.984 0.000
% IVTD 24 hr 13 90.489 87.000 93.977 3.488
NDFD 24hr, % of NDF 13 76.261 66.905 85.617 9.356
% IVTD 30 hr 24 91.916 88.593 95.238 3.322
NDFD 30hr, % of NDF 24 81.178 74.368 87.988 6.810
% IVTD 48 hr 7 92.004 88.885 95.123 3.119
NDFD 48hr, % of NDF 7 80.388 75.327 85.448 5.060
% Calcium 499 0.949 0.644 1.254 0.305
% Phosphorus 498 0.084 0.056 0.113 0.029
% Magnesium 495 0.225 0.178 0.271 0.047
% Potassium 499 0.781 0.157 1.405 0.624
% Sodium 497 0.293 0.000 0.748 0.455
PPM Iron 503 543.766 255.250 832.282 288.516
PPM Zinc 494 23.199 0.000 80.838 57.639
PPM Copper 494 8.714 2.143 15.284 6.570
PPM Manganese 494 56.803 33.690 79.915 23.113
PPM Molybdenum 494 0.274 0.000 0.698 0.424
PPM Cobalt 2 0.830 0.830 0.830 0.000
% Sulfur 396 0.283 0.150 0.416 0.133
% Chloride 214 0.239 0.000 0.633 0.394
% Nitrate 26 0.012 0.004 0.020 0.008
% Nitrates 63 0.033 0.002 0.065 0.031
PPM Nitrate-Nitrogen 63 75.484 5.199 145.769 70.285
% Ammonia (CPE) 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Amm-N, % of Total N 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
PH 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Lactic Acid 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Acetic Acid 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
Lactic/Acetic Ratio 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Propionic Acid 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Butyric Acid 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Iso Butyric Acid 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
% Total Acids 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
PPB Aflatoxin 29 3.249 0.000 6.891 3.643
PPM Vomitoxin 12 0.057 0.000 0.143 0.087
PPM Zearalenone 16 0.059 0.000 0.130 0.070
PPM T2 14 0.018 0.000 0.047 0.029
PPM Ochratoxin 14 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000
PPM Fumonisin 14 0.055 0.000 0.139 0.084
Horse DE, Mcal/Lb. 595 1.204 1.112 1.296 0.092
Horse TDN, % 595 60.208 55.611 64.805 4.597

     
    11-23-2008, 10:38 PM
  #23
Trained
I have to agree with peggysue here. Beet is hardly a filler and it certainly doesnt take long to put the weight on. I noticed marked improvements in all my horses in a very short time frame. I know someone who only feeds beet, chaffe and hay and they are all in superb condition.

It may not be nutritionally COMPLETE but what horse feed is? That's where supplements come into play. My guys get chaffe, beet, millrun, pellets and a complete supplement. As with any feed yes, it doesnt contain all they need but I don't think that was the question. It was rather which one is better. I used bran for 12 months with little success. Not none but not a lot either. My horses have now been on it for 2 months and I couldnt be happier with their condition especially my hard keeping, older tb mare.
     
    11-24-2008, 10:13 AM
  #24
Started
Alot of it has to do with it being so easy to digest FIBER... so the they don't use more calories digesting it
     
    11-24-2008, 03:53 PM
  #25
Green Broke
It has TONS of fiber...18% actually.

2% more and it would be classified as a forage!
     
    12-03-2008, 07:55 PM
  #26
Foal
Weight Issues

My older horse Rooster (pictured here) was starting to lose a bit of weight. I started him on beet pulp and rice bran oil in addition to his feed and his weight is just fine now.
     
    12-03-2008, 08:01 PM
  #27
Weanling
I started using beet pulp about 3 weeks ago for my old stallion he's been on a complete feed for over a year now and has done great with it but wanted to give him a little extra boost going into our cold winters. I've been giving him 1.5 lbs a day I soak it for about two hours first and was amazed at how much it rehydrates. Now I'm thinking of trying some rice bran also but my feed dealer only has rice hulls which I'm not sure would do him any good.

Thoughts on rice hulls?

BTW kickshaw I know your a moderator and all and I mean no offense but that is one ugly ass turkey if that's what it is.
     
    12-03-2008, 09:17 PM
  #28
Weanling
Just wanted to throw my $0.02 in here. I will have had Blaze on rice bran (increased over time to reach 1.5 lbs) for two weeks this coming Friday, and I'm really happy with the results. I'll be sure to post updated pictures this weekend, but his ribs really aren't visible at all anymore and he's rounding out nicely. And he's DEFINITELY not hot from the feed; I had to make him work this past weekend and he didn't want to
     
    12-04-2008, 12:28 AM
  #29
Foal
I have had Sandman on Rice Bran for a month and he hasn't gained any weight, ugh. It is really cold and I have blanketed him, but still no weight. Should I keep waiting? Or should I switch him to Beet pulp? He gets free choice hay and is on Progressive to the max. Amount allowed and getting 2lbs. Of rice bran. And of course water at will.
My only reason for not getting beet pulp at first was the soaking. I don't know if my B/O will soak it for me.
     
    12-04-2008, 07:55 AM
  #30
Started
It really doesn't NEED soaked unless you have a KNOWN choker... I like to feed mine wet but I just add water to it when I feed it.. like dump in beet pulp into the feeder then add water soak it......

How much HAY does Sandman get ?? If he doesn't have hay in front of him all the time I would INCREASE his hay first
     

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