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post #11 of 22 Old 01-30-2012, 03:06 PM
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oh jeeze....
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@tlkng1 Glad to hear you are getting a saddle fitter out! Do you have any pictures of the horse?

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When you have to pad to that extend you are just shifting the pressure spots. If the horse has high withers don't expect him to fill up those holes, as high withered horses are often hollow. Adjustable gullets change only the shape at the gullet but no where else. If you wish to ride I'm suggesting you just go with a bareback pad until he puts on a little weight. The exercise along with your weight will help him muscle up especially if you keep it to walking and trotting. Trotting builds stamina.
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Even if the saddle fits perfectly, you will have a hard time getting the withers to heal if there is a pad touching them. The friction of the pad against the skin will keep the wound open. If you want to do whats right for the horse then don't ride her until the withers are completly healed. If you keep on riding her you'll probably wear a hole through the skin into her whithers. They are nasty to heal up and can take several months. I've seen this happen and you should go to any lenghts needed to prevent it.

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Haven't ridden in three days and the rub is healing up n icely with the applicaiton of Neosporin..that stuff works so much faster than any equine version :). I have one more day and then I have to ride as the saddle fitter is coming out on Friday, but, I am making the assumption she will have a remedy before I get on.

Two pics here. The first was taken on the day I brought him "home." The second was taken tonight, 10 days later. The second shot is a little more yellow..different barn lighting and a hair blurred but I think you can get the idea.
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Good luck fitting that horse. I like those type of horses but they are so hard to keep from soring that I don't ride them anymore.

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post #17 of 22 Old 02-02-2012, 05:19 PM
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with some weight and muscle that horse won't be that hard to fit. i still, however, recommend a saddle with a cutback wither just to make sure there is clearance for those withers. not as bad as my geldings but still something of substance for sure.

let us know what the saddle fitter says.
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Saddle fitter came out..whew..what a night. Let's see...first, I was placing the saddle too far forward. The saddle fitters exact words were, he has long withers..she showed me how to properly locate the saddle. It is going to take some mental re-imaging to continue to place the saddle as far back but she showed me the process. Second, the medium gullet is too wide..she said that even if he fills out by adding weight and muscle, it won't change the points of how the saddle fits. Of course, I remembered to bring everyhting with me EXCEPT the gullets so I have to try the smaller ones myself, but, she is willing to come back out at no charge to re-check the fit. Third, she suggested a Mattes Correction half pad to help with lift and the fit under the cantle. In short, currently when weight is added to the saddle the back part lifts up a little. She indicated that the correction half pad (or even correction full pad also that I located) has pockets that can be shimmed. Fourth, due to the position of the saddle she suggested a contoured girth in order to keep the saddle from coming forward :). This isn't a simple contoured girth but one that reminds me of the girth used on jumpers that helped to keep their hooves from smacking into the belly during a jump. The saddle itself is pretty much flocked under the cantle to the point it can't be added to anymore though she says there IS room in the panels. Once I check the different gullet I may get lucky and only need the extra flocking in the panels themselves. The horse isn't even on both sides with one side being more hollow than the other...:) gotta love 'em.

This saddle fitter is MSA certified so knows what she is doing. I may not have explained it quite the way she did but I know what I am looking at now.

I will make a run to the tack shop tomorrow..Dover is nearby, and do some more retail therapy..the have the mattes pads and similar girths in stock (less pricey but same shape). Failing that, the other way to go is a different saddle that this saddle fitter is pretty sure will work, or at least can be reflocked, but the thing is pricey..about twice what I would pay for a saddle.

Here is the type of girth:
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Training the topline can be done without a saddle or rider on the horse's back.

Please consider the damage that can be done to an underweight horse with no topline muscle :/ It's better to get them nice and fat before you start training. Why is this horse underweight by the way? Was it a rescue? Does it struggle keeping weight on? Stress issue?

EDIT: I just read your new post.. great news! Now just get some weight on that horse! :)

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He came to the barn I found him at off auction so I dont' know where he was from the time he left the track, his last start was September of 2008, and when the barn got him back in June/July 2011 timeframe.

The horse isn't completely lacking muscle..he just needs more :) and according to the vet, he is only down about 50-100 pounds. I did increase his grain and pellet ration tonight; added an extra quart per day.

Now, I went and got the girth and the pad. I put the next smallest gullet on the saddle and immediately I could see a better fit when I placed it in position on his bare back. I added the pad, girthed up and got on. Definitely a difference. Where before I couldn't get my finger under the saddle at all, today I was able to put two fingers between his withers and the saddle. I did a very thorough check once I got him untacked and there was no indication at all of further abrasion to the rub already there. Hair is starting to grow back in already :)

In working the topline, I took a full week off from riding in order to heal up the rub, (and am feeling it right now) and worked on the ground lunging up and down the hills in one of the larger paddocks, using a balancing system to work that way, just doing some free lunging to let him stretch out.

I am taking a full day off tomorrow with both of us and I have a clinic on Monday. Once that is complete, I will go to a 3 day groundwork to 3 day riding schedule, increasing the riding and decreasing down the lungework as he gains weight and builds more muscle. Even now when riding I am not pushing too hard..doing more stretching out and down with little collection except for the transitions..I still have to set him up and get him balanced before we go into the canter. Today was actually funny. I have been working so hard to get his trot down in prep for the Intro tests at a show in March, I completely forgot about the other hard transition..the halt (for the salute). We did a lot of walk to halt work today, trotting down the centerline and trying to stop not only somewhat square but do it without him dancing, wiggling, sidestepping and generally evading the stop request.

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