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  • Use thrushbuster for white line disease
  • Farrier took off too much sole

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    09-02-2009, 06:09 AM
We see a lot of white line disease where I live, and generally it is caused by poor maintenance (cleaning the foot out, not just farrier) and our crappy humid, hot conditions that lead to all kinds of fungus growth.

The best stuff to cure it is the purple stuff (can't think of the name). Be vigiliant in cleaning the hoof out, use a brush and even a farriers nail to get up in the crevice, then apply the purple stuff.

My horses are all barefoot, even when we've had seedy toe, it has cleared up quickly.
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    09-02-2009, 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by 7Ponies    
The best stuff to cure it is the purple stuff (can't think of the name).
thrush buster. That stuff if AMAZING. It clears it up FAST without drying the foot to hell
    09-02-2009, 08:51 AM
Originally Posted by AlmagroN    
but if a hoof is not dished out at all, and the sole is hitting before the rest of the foot, this will cause problems, or no? I would assume some bruising and tenderfootedness (boy is that even a word?)?

I don't know much about barefoot horses as all of mine wear shoes due to being racehorses, and the only one without is my broodmare, who does not do much of any work aside from the occational 15min ride (walk)
The sole will touch the ground at the toe especially. So do the walls, but the foot falls heel first and "rolls" forward until full pick-up. The sole will shed usually on its own as needed, but it has to build up a callus. That's why if you take shoes off a horse it will likely be a bit ouchy because the sole has not been subjected to any wear and is soft. If the full weight is bearing on the walls only, then the walls will flare, break off, crack...

Hope that explains it well enough. I usually know what I mean, but don't always explain so well.
    09-02-2009, 09:04 AM
Originally Posted by 7Ponies    
We see a lot of white line disease where I live, and generally it is caused by poor maintenance (cleaning the foot out, not just farrier) and our crappy humid, hot conditions that lead to all kinds of fungus growth.

The best stuff to cure it is the purple stuff (can't think of the name). Be vigiliant in cleaning the hoof out, use a brush and even a farriers nail to get up in the crevice, then apply the purple stuff.

My horses are all barefoot, even when we've had seedy toe, it has cleared up quickly.
7Ponies -- I agree with the maintenance bit for sure, but if the farrier was doing the job right and often enough, there wouldn't be a chance for dirt to get in the white line. The white line should be tight always. WLD is generally said to be caused by a fungus, but it's actually more like the deterioration of the white line allowed the fungus in and gave a great home for it to live and grow in. The problem starts BEFORE the fungus ever arrives.
    09-02-2009, 08:17 PM
Our farrier is a good farrier, that is not the issue. Problem is, these horses have been boarded at my barn, and basically left there. Owners never come out. I don't pick feet on my boarders horses, sorry. That's when they develop white line... and I'm usually the one who clears it up... but at a pretty hefty expense to the horse owner. I get a bit ticked off at people who don't come take care of their horses, so I charge a good bit when I'm the one doctoring them.

And, until you've lived in Charleston and deal with the heat and humidity, you have no idea of the ick it causes. I don't know anyone (human) who hasn't battled toe nail fungus (human). The farrier's not doing the human's feet, LOL!!! :) Yes, it really does cause white line, if left to do so.

Yes, Thrush Buster! That's the name, it's great stuff. But it really stains your fingers/hands. I've learned my lesson, I now apply it wearing latex gloves!!
    09-02-2009, 10:00 PM
Well, I guess it's the "often enough" part then that isn't working, 7Ponies. I was referring to the farrier, but I guess owners too. Funny though, I wouldn't have thought it mattered that much. If the hoof is working properly it should "self-clean". I wonder if a more humid environment needs a different style of trim...

I read about some wild horses that live in marshy areas, nothing hard around at all and yet their hooves never grow too long.

    09-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Having thought some more about this -- I still think that it amounts to proper trimming care. Perhaps in very moist environments some horses need to be trimmed more often. I know my girls are done every two weeks, but that's because I can and I understand that that is not doable for many people.

Barefoothooves -- if you're out there, do you have any opinion on this? We miss you, you know.
    09-02-2009, 11:32 PM
Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
Apparently it's a fungus too? That makes me think there should be something removed/treated?
Yes it is a fungus and needs to be treated as one. I had a mare with white line once and we had to soak her feet in Epsom salts for several weeks.

White Line Disease - What can I do?
    • Owner - conscientious preventive action
    • Owner and Farrier - careful observation of the horse
    • Farrier and Vet - co-ordinated specific treatment (see photo case record that follows)

Preventive Action by the Owner
The bacteria/fungi are opportunistic, and will enter the foot through the smallest of openings, often invisible to the human eye. Preventive action is a positive first step. As ever, it's no guarantee, but the more you do, the better your chances.
The following factors can contribute to whiteline disease developing in horses. Some potential problem causers must simply be recognised as risk factors -
    • excess damp and humidity - the horse's hoof is hygroscopic (absorbs moisture). A moist hoof expands more readily.
    • stress after laminitis
    • the presence of an injury in the hoof
While others can be avoided by conscientious horse and hoof care -
  • long toes on the hoof - causing stress and the possibility of separation at the juncture of hoof wall and sole. I've seen this a number of times as a contributory factor in white line disease.
  • an excess of inappropriate hoof care products applied to a hoof
  • poor nutrition, resulting in poor health of the hoof
  • insufficient stable management - lack of cleanliness

Did your vet not tell you what you need to do in your particular situation to start treatment for the white line?

See this: Treatment of white line disease in horses
    09-02-2009, 11:47 PM
Green Broke
WL generally only causes lameness in its EXTREME form, or if gravel gets up in there and causes an abscess. Now, a stone bruise could cause some issues, but after a week it should be better.

Where in Montana are you? I'll see if I can find a good barefoot trimmer willing to drive to your location.

But really, this is why I now trim my own. The two barefoot trimmers we have in Central Arkansas that are good trim too much bar, which makes my mare tender. The rest of the farriers do funky pasture trims and take off a LOT of frog and sole, too much for barefoot riding.

So, I have learned on my own using Jamie Jackson's book, Pete Ramey's book, Pete's web site (Pete Ramey hoof care heals founder in horse’s navicular disease farrier), the web site, the Abrasive Trimming method DVD (LOVE that!), and a few other sources. My horses' feet are healthier and they are more sound than they ever have been!!
    09-06-2009, 07:27 PM
Pictures prior to trim/front shoes:

He said that he was trimmed too short. With shoes, he was still favoring his leg, but then the farrier said it may be a muscle pain?

His feet looked like crap regardless. What do you guys think?

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