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  • I have a 23 month old colt & the farrier said that his growth has been stunted?
  • My yearling is stunted how can I catch her up in weight and height

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    12-22-2012, 09:49 PM
  #11
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Give her time she'll come around with good nutrition and care. I rescued a yearling paint colt that was skin and bones. Only as big as a four month old colt was a sorry looking sight he measured 12 hands tall. He's now healthy strong 11 year old can't tell he was starved anymore. Grew to be 14.3 hands tall not huge but a nice size for my daughter.I will try and find a picture of him two days after I brought him home. When I find it i"ll post it here.
     
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    12-23-2012, 10:01 AM
  #12
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Thank you everyone for the advice and care. Kenzie (I refuse to call her Boom, I'm sorry xD) is now bedded down in a deep stall of straw. I decided to stay the night with her last night since she seemed to be very stressed, and she finally laid down at about 10pm but is now refusing to stand. I pushed her up onto her stomache and propped her up, but I think she's just entirely exhausted and doesn't feel like trying. I guess we'll have to change that.

I'm not going to bother with the farrier for a week or two right now, I'm pretty handy with the rasp so I'll do that but I really don't want to traumatize her further at this point. Once we have her settled in, gaining weight, and eating, we're going to help the rescue pay for her to get her teeth floated.

I don't have her in with any friends at the moment because its too risky. She has a runny nose, is still getting rid of worms ( a few live >.> we'll be starting another set of wormer soon ) and I really don't want to infect any of our horses since we have so many. Once she is rid of the worms and sniffled though, I'll probably bring either Bree in, hoping that they'll recognize eachother, or our 'Uncle Buddy' who has proven to be a good nurturing type gelding dispite the fact that he's our herd alpha. Once she's stable I'll also turn her out into a small paddock rather than this stall. I'm sure she's had enough of stalling for a lifetime.

What I'm worried about is her overall leg soundness. I can already tell that she's tied in at the knees, has extremely awkward pasterns, and very little bone. Her dam had a lot of problems with her hooves (very thin brittle walls, an old nail injury or something that didnt heal right, one club foot) and with tendonitis in both fronts when we brought her in, and we were actually going to euth her for that and the fact that she just couldn't gain wait well before she had a stroke. She had been lame from the day she came to us to the day she died, no matter what we did.

The vet told us to treat her as a weanling and a yearling at the same time, which is why he recommended the feed mixture. Because she was starved as a baby, she probably hasn't developed at all the way she was supposed to and needs the nutrience for that growth as well as normal yearling growth.

Just as a note, her dam was about 15.2-15.3 (we didnt ever really stick her) and her sire is supposively 16.2hh. Her half brother, our lovely colt Peppin, is string tested to grow to about 16.1hh.
     
    12-23-2012, 10:33 AM
  #13
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Poor little thing! She could still grow with proper care and nutrition as everyone has said.

The QH filly I got as a teenager had been born to a dam that was starved during gestation. Gal grew just fine. My dad bred her when she was about 4 I guess (long time ago) and the filly, Scarlett, was just fine. Dad later bred her again when I was 20 or so. The little filly was darling - but at 1 year of age was only about 12 hh or less. This was a registered QH so I know there wasn't a "pony" in the family. She was well put together but just small. I sold her when she was about 15 months old to a little boy who loved that she was not a "big" horse. Don't know how she eventually out and I always attributed it to perhaps something in Gal because she had not come into the world with the best of nutrition.
     
    12-23-2012, 10:50 AM
  #14
Trained
What you just mentioned about her mom, typical TB problems. If taken care of, not so much of a problem, but it was obviously not done.
As your vet says, Kenzie needs nutrition, period. She will not reach her full potential in height, but I think her legs will straighten out once the necessary upholstery is there. My QH mare came to me 300lbs underweight with a "chicken chest", very narrow. Now in good weight, she's about twice as wide.
Weak pasterns...foals who are kept inside, on soft bedding, get like that. They need to move and eat right to strengthen. But they will.
Careful with worming, don't overwhelm her with chemicals in the state she's in right now.
UC Davis recommends straight alfalfa for starved horses, first little but often, going up to free choice within two weeks. They say no grains and supplements as it throws off metabolism since it's pretty fragile in a starved horse. She had grain, so I guess you could add that little by little.
Having a buddy will get her spirits up.
     
    12-23-2012, 01:05 PM
  #15
Cat
Green Broke
She is still young enough that she can catch up some. The balancing act from here on out is to feed her well but not overly feed her to cause joint issues.
     
    12-23-2012, 03:26 PM
  #16
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I had to go to church but just when to check on her again. She's still laying down but I had one of the boys help me flip her over onto her other side and prop her up again so that she doesn't get pressure sores or anything. She won't eat any grain but has eating a few pounds of hay so far and is drinking, which is good. I mixed electrolytes into her water and she seems to like it. If she isn't up by the end of today the OUR vet is going to come out. I like the rescue's vet but he isn't quite as knowledgable as I feel is neccesary for some cases such as this. I had her blanketed but she was sweating and has a slightly elevated temperature so I just took it off for now. I'm worried about her.

I'm going to try and make her a mash for dinner and see if I can't get some of that down her when I go out to feed Sour and Honor. I'm honestly wondering if she's in some sort of shock with the way she's behaving. I'm no expert though, so I really have no idea. The vet didn't seem overly worried but...I don't know.

If I can get her eating, I think what we'll do is the free choice hay (we unfortunately can't do straight alfalfa because its hard to get around here and our other TBs eat it as well. But I can give her as much as half and half. Our jiggs is high quality as well.) I'll start her at half a pound of Mare and Foal in the morning and half a pound of the other at night, and up it to one pound of each but not much more than that until she is much healthier. I'd like to get her where she can be out in the paddock to graze at will within a few weeks if she makes it.

I'm starting to suspect that she has thrush though. I cleaned her hooves and they smell raunchy, so I'll go ahead and treat that and possible pack it as well. She also has callouses on her legs and stomache. Don't they usually get that from laying on very hard surfaces if they're thin? The gash on her shoulder looks like it did a pretty good job of healing itself thankfully, and I'm just rubbing some wild honey into it to help with proud flesh (which is the stage its at right now) and I'll continue that as needed.

Poor thing looks so pitiful there...I really wish I could bring a friend in for her but its just not something we can risk. But what about a goat or a chicken? We have two goat kids (6 months old each) who get along well with horses, but I don't know much about their immunity. Both are routinely wormed but I'm just not sure...

If anyone knows of someone in Texas or somewhere near that would be willing to adopt a poor little neglected filly, feel free to contact me. What she needs most right now is a forever home. We can substitute and take care of her for now, but with 42 animals on the property and a training/therapy facility to run, we're short on people and I'm the only one that even has a little time to help her out. We can fix her basic needs but we just can't provide the love that she needs right now, unfortunately :/ I'm doing my best but I'm stretched tight as it is.

Thank you all for the uplifting stories about horses that made it through the odds. I only hope that little Kenzie can be added to that list of sucesses in a few years.
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    12-23-2012, 05:00 PM
  #17
Trained
Good idea getting your vet out. She is probably coming down with a cold, being young, malnourished and stressed out is THE opportunity for nasty bacteria or a virus.
Have hay, half and half will do, always available, tepid water will most likely make her drink even more.
Super slow with the mare&foal, it's a change of feed her gut bacteria has to get used to. Not that she ends up with diarrhea...last thing she needs now.
Ask you vet about injectable B-vitamins to get her appetite up.

If I was closer I'd take her in a heartbeat(not that I need another horse), but unfortunately ......
ETA: agree with cat....balancing her ration is very important to avoid too much growth, or she might end up with contracted tendons and clubfeet.
     
    12-23-2012, 07:23 PM
  #18
Yearling
Has she has a coggins test yet?
     
    12-23-2012, 07:40 PM
  #19
Yearling
I think she needs a vet. She might need an IV with some fluids for a bit. They go down fast and once dehydrated it is hard to get them back without an IV. That might perk her up enough to stand and eat. She needs some seriously good quality food now. She is really a pretty little girl. Hope she does alright and can recover quickly. How sad is it that she has been through so much in her short little life. This little girl needs a break.
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    12-23-2012, 07:45 PM
  #20
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Should I be going slower than the half pound and half pound then? Maybe just one pound all together? That's what I'm feeding my miniature horse mare, and I guess they probably weigh about the same pounds...Kenzie can't weigh more than 300 pounds or so.

I'll definitely my vet about the Vitamin B shots. We should also be getting her stool samples and blood panel back soon so that will be very helpful for knowing just what parasites and deficiencies she might be dealing with.

She had her coggins test back when we had her, but that was months ago. So I doubt she's been tested again since then. Yet another reason not to let her around the other horses. Do you guys have any opinions on the goats though? Or even chicken? Just something to be around her all of the time. And I'll see if we can't get her coggins tested when the vet is out.

I know she'll need a lot of vaccinations as well once she's better...this is going to be one expensive recovery. But, if we can make a difference for her, it will be well worth it.

I tried to feed her some mash a little while ago when I went out to feed my mare and filly, she ate a few handfulls and cleaned up another flake of hay, which is great. Not much water, but she drank some this morning and doesnt seem extremely dehydrated. Still refusing to get up though :/ I honestly don't know what to do. Its dangerous for her to be down this long isnt it? Should I spend another night with her?

Also, should I blanket or not blanket? It will be 40 tonight, and I'm not blanketing anyone else but they all have winter coats and are fat if anything.

Inga, the vet doesnt want to come out until tomorrow but I have a feeling they'll want to do IV fluids then. Her gums are pale pink, but pink. She drank one and a half bucket today, but I'm not sure how much she should have drank at this point. I did mix electrolytes into the water though.
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