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        12-23-2012, 08:06 PM
    It's good that she's eating and drinking well, though not wanting to stand at all is concerning. It may just be that she is so weak that standing is difficult for her. Is he peeing and pooping? I would worry about scald if she's not standing to do that as it will get on her skin. The fact that she has calluses indicates that she's probably been spending a lot of time down anyway, so I wouldn't worry quite as much as I would if it was a normal, healthy horse who suddenly wasn't wanting to stand. At some point, as much as you don't want to be rough with a horse who's had a tough go of it, she has GOT to get up, for her own good, and you might see if you can motivate her to do so... either that or she should be turned from side to side every 2-4 hours around the clock. :(

    If you can get her through this, she probably won't look outwardly better for a month or more, but rest assured her body is putting the calories to use inside, fixing her organs and immune system and balance. Once that's done, in a few months, she'll actually have everything inside fixed up enough to start growing on the outside where we can see it. Horses grow up to 4 and 5 years old- she may not ever be as tall as she might have been, but she's got plenty of time to put on size yet anyway.

    I wouldn't feed anything but hay without double checking with your vet given that she's a 'down' horse at this point. But hay, hay and lots of water. She'll be in my thoughts. I don't think I'm anywhere near you in TX or I'd come out and lend a few day's labor to her cause.
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        12-23-2012, 09:06 PM
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    She peed once today, no poop that I'm aware of. I immediately took up the straw that she soiled though. The last thing she needs is scald.

    What is your suggestion on getting her to stand? I'm not strong enough to lift her myself, and the boys are all gone for the night. They'll be back at 6 am. I'm going to stay with her though and have a list of vet numbers to call if I need to. I'm able to roll her myself and I've done so three times today. She's flat out right now with her head on a blanket that I brought, and she's alert which is a good thing. For a few hours she was up on her stomache, but she doesnt seem interested in doing that anymore. I'd have to drag some bales of hay to prop her up again but I'm willing to do that if it will help.

    Poor little gal is so sorry looking, but she's a total lover. She keeps trying to comfort nurse on my hand though, which I found a little odd. I wish she'd been able to kee her mama for longer, she'd probably be in much better shape :/

    Vet is schedualled to come out tomorrow at around 8 am as one of his first rounds. He's all the way in Waller county though so tends to be late. Hopefully she pulls through at least that long...I'm very worried.

    For what its worth, I contacted a vet tech friend of mine who is willing to do water through IV for her if anyone thinks that might help. Her skin is still fairly elastic, her gums are still pale pink, but her eyes are dull. She hasn't tried to eat anymore hay but its right by her if she wants it. My guess is that she has probably eated about 7 pounds today, give or take a little.

    I've left her blanket off for now, and I'm keeping a log of her temperature and pulse just in case. Her temp reads 102.2 so just between the verge of being slightly elevated and dangerous at least according to what I've been taught, which might be wrong. It hasnt risen or fallen since she came here. We have a small stethescope in our veterinary kit which is coming in handy, I've been listening for gut sounds and to her lungs. To me they seem slightly rattly but I'm praying its just a cold and not pneumonia or something... I'm sure that laying down really isnt helping her either.
        12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
    If she is flat out and not willing to get up, that is not a good sign for her survival. Horses are not made to stay in that position.

    If she prefers to be in that position, but is ABLE to get up and proves it to me, that's one thing. If she's so weak she can't get up, she may not make the night. :( If that kid was in my barn, some not so pleasant 'persuasion' might be used at this point, starting with some solid kicks in the bum and going up from there. If she does get up, I'd keep her up and walk her slowly (just enough to keep her from laying down) for at least 15 minutes. The fact that she's not pooping is another sign something is seriously wrong, but gentle movement might get the gut moving.
        12-23-2012, 09:30 PM
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    Oh poor sweet girl. I pray she makes it. Keep us posted. Please, even if you just need to talk.
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        12-23-2012, 09:31 PM
        12-23-2012, 09:32 PM
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    She's sort of able to get up onto her stomach with some rocking, but in the time I've been here she hasn't tried getting up onto her feet whatsoever.

    I'm going to try to get her up right now. I feel horrible doing anything to her, but I know that she's going to die if I can't get her up. I'm going to call my best friend right now to come help me if he can, to pull her up onto her feet and keep her up. Good thing in this situation is her size I guess...theres no way we could get a normal 700+ lb yearling up by ourselves. :/

    I'm just so worried that I'm being selfish with this, wanting her to live so badly. We just had our beautiful Noah pass away last week, I can't bear the thought of another dying during the night...and on my birthday/christmas even of all things. My only prayer is that she makes it through the night until the vet gets here.
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        12-23-2012, 09:34 PM
    I've seen a few cases like this come thru- you never know what you will get b/c there are so many risks for congenital defects when the mare is not properly cared for. Just keep an open mind - there could be things going on that you can't see from the outside involving metabolics/organ development/muscle-tissue-bone development and growth. Some of these little guys lack the ability to properly metabolize their food or may be missing enzymes and can't process certain proteins for proper development physically and mentally and may never be able to. Whatever happens, you are doing a great job and she's lucky to have you. Keep us posted with your/her progress and hang in there!
        12-23-2012, 09:40 PM
    I would get a vet out. If the vet can't come, at least try to get your vet tech friend out. She is most likely dehydrated and hypoglycemic. If she goes too long without standing up to urinate, she will go into kidney failure. Poor baby. I hope she pulls through.

    Oh, I just re-read your last post. I see you already have the vet scheduled. That's good. Poor little horse. I hope she pulls through.
        12-23-2012, 09:57 PM
    I really don't see how her conformation is a wreck. She's still a little to small do deem her conformity unsuitable for anyone. And I've always known tbs to not fully mature til they're about 7. You might want to put her on a senior or a foal feed just to give her that extra nutritional boost. That's all that looks bad to me. Dehydration and malnutrition. A lot of times horses will shape up and grow taller once they put on some weight. My gelding did that after I rescued him and put him on a good diet. I honestly say just give her some time.
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        12-23-2012, 09:58 PM
    Didn't read all of it. Can't wait to see what the vet has to say.
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