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        03-05-2013, 02:24 AM
    Originally Posted by Endiku    
    Time for a Kenzie update! Hold on tight because I have a LOT to say xD

    I talked the farrier that I've really been wanting into doing a discounted trim if I can get Kenzie hauled up to her place, so I'm currently working on that. I have a friend who might be able to haul us up if I pay for gas, since she's interested in having Mrs. Butler trim her gelding's feet too, so we'll be doing some loading/unloading work this week to try and get Kenzie out of the 'TRAILERSEATHORSES' mindset.

    I officially started turning Ginger and Kenzie out together on supervised visits on Monday, and they seem to be doing well. Kenzie is still much more aloof that I thought she'd be, but she doesn't seem to mind Ginger's company, and Ginger just ADORES her new 'baby.' I'm trying to think of another horse to add into the mix as well though, because I really don't want to deal with Ginger being buddy sour, which she tends to do if she's left alone. She's normally in a band of 12 horses on the other side of our property. So far I can't really think of a good cannidate though, as most of our horses are ranch gelding and they do their jobs great but they really just arent the nurturing type. They have their pecking order and you don't dare try to add someone else into the mix!

    I also took the liberty to ask for a quote from a very well known shipping company just to see what costs would be like. They often trailer expensive show and race horses and have a good reputation, but ofcourse, that comes with a hefty price. For a 4 x 9 trailer stall that is rubber matted/walled and divided to the floor, plus 'air ride' (does that mean A/C? LOL I wasn't sure...) and a half-way layover in a 12 x 12 box stall overnight, we'd be looking at $850 to Kentucky, or $1,200 to California. YIKES O_o I'm still looking though.

    Another thing that I noticed that is worrying that yesterday I was brushing Kenzie's tail out (first time she really let me touch there. She's been a bit shy about the hindquarters and her udders being messed with) I realized that her tail curves into almost a question mark at the if she may have broken it at some point? I've never seen a broken tail before but this sure seems like it was. It seems to be an old injury that healed on its own, it wasn't tender to touch, swollen, or hot. Its...strange. Have any of you dealt with a broken tail before? There isn't really anything I can do about it NOW is there, or should I get the vet out? Money is tight right now so I can't afford another visit that isn't going to amount in anything, but I'll do it if I have to.

    Next, I'm playing around with her feed again. The vet has okayed her coming off of the expensive suppliment that we were getting by Px because her blood panel came back with her not being low on anything (yay!) and so we're trying to transition her to a less 'complicated' diet. I think that even though Tractor Supply is farther away from us, I'm just going to suck it up and go there for feed, because stuff tends to be cheaper and there is more of a selection. I really don't like Kenzie being on Equine Junior because it has a pretty high amount of sugar in it and is a complete feed.

    A lot of our horses are on stabilized Rice Bran. What do you think of putting her on maybe 1/2 lb (8 oz) a day? If I do that, are pellets or meal better? Meal costs less but I don't know if theres a significant difference or not.

    Unfortunately TSC only has either pure Alfalfa Cubes, pure Timothy Pellets, or 50/50 Alfalfa/Timothy Cubes. Should I risk giving her cubes and just soak them longer, or should I give her timothy pellets?

    For feeds, I have these choices:

    Equine Junior- for $21.50/50 lbs (she's already on this)
    Guarenteed Analysis
    Crude Protein (min.) 14.5%, Fat (min.) 5.5%, Calcium (min.) 0.9%, Lysine (min.) 0.8%, Phosphorus (min.) 0.55%, Fiber (max.) 16%, Calcium (max.) 1.2%, Zinc (min.) 220 ppm, Copper (min.) 60 ppm, Selenium (min.) 0.3 ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 3500 IU/lb., Vitamin E (min.) 150 IU/lb.

    Nutrena® Life Design® Mare & Foal for $19.50/50 lbs She would be eating about 4.5-5 lbs a day.
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein 16%, Crude Fat 6%, Calcium 0.85 to 1.25%, Lysine 0.85%, Phosphorus 0.7%, Threonine 0.5%, Methionine 0.35%, Crude Fiber max. 9%, Zinc 180 ppm, Copper 60 ppm, Selenium 0.5 ppm, Vitamin A 5,000 IU/lb., Vitamin D3 500 IU/lb., Vitamin E 80 IU/lb., Biotin .45 mg/lb.

    Purina® Omolene #300® Growth Horse Feed- 4-5 lbs daily at $21/50lbs
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 16.00%, Fat (min.) 6.00%, Lysine (min.) 0.90%, Calcium (Ca) (min.) 0.90%, Phosphorus (P) (min.) 0.55%, Fiber (max.) 6.50%, Calcium (Ca) (max.) 1.20%, Zinc (Zn) (min.) 220.00 ppm, Copper (Cu) (min.) 60.00 ppm, Selenium (Se) (min.) 0.60 ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 3,000.00 IU/lb, Vitamin E (min.) 125.00 IU/lb.

    I could also use feeds that aren't necessarily for weanlings/yearlings. The choices that I see that MIGHT work for her are:

    DuMOR® EquiStages Horse Feed, 50 lb.
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 14.00%, Lysine (min.) .65%, Crude Fat (min.) 6.00%, Crude Fiber (max.) 18.00%, Calcium (Ca) (min.) .80%, Calcium (Ca) (max.) 1.25%, Phosphorus (P) (min.) .50%, Salt (NaCl) (min.) .25%, Salt (NaCl) (max.) .75%, Sodium (Na) (min.) .10%, Sodium (Na) (max.) .60%, Copper (Cu) (min.) 50.00ppm, Selenium (Se) (min.) .50ppm, Zinc (Zn) (min.) 150.00ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 3000IU/lb, Ash (max.) 9.00%, Ruminant meat- and bone-meal free

    Purina® Strategy® Professional Formula
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 14.00%, Crude Fat (min.) 6.00%, Calcium (Ca) (min.) 1.00%, Phosphorus (P) (min.) 0.60%, Crude Fiber (max.) 12.50%, Calcium (Ca) (max.) 1.30%, Zinc (Zn) (min.) 280.00 ppm, Copper (Cu) (min.) 80.00 ppm, Selenium (Se) (min.) 0.60 ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 3,000.00 IU/lb.

    I think I can also get Safe Choice. Again, no Enrich 32, which is what I really want >.>

    I'm trying to get her on as much of a forage based diet as possible, but the feed stores are making this difficult! LOL I'm thinking I'll need a suppliment to transition her to as well, so here are my options.

    Mare Plus- $25 per 3 lb bucket
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 6.0%, Crude Fat (min.) 3.5%, Crude Fiber (max.) 6.0%, Calcium (min.) 5.80%, Calcium (max.) 6.80%, Phosphorus (min.) 5.00%, Salt (min.) 1.00%, Salt (max.) 1.50%, Potassium (K) (min.) 1.88%, Magnesium (Mg) (min.) 0.39%, Cobalt (Co) (min.) 300 ppm, Copper (Cu) (min.) 250 ppm, Iodine (I) (min.) 160 ppm, Iron (Fe) (min.) 4000 ppm, Manganese (Mn) (min.) 2200 ppm, Selenium (min.) 0.4 ppm, Zinc (Zc) (min.) 2000 ppm, Vitamin A 800,000 I.U., Vitamin D3 80,000 I.U., Vitamin E. 960 I.U., Vitamin B12 3240 mcg, Riboflavin 800 mg, d-Pantothenic Acid 1000 mg, Thiamine 700 mg, Niacin 2000 mg, Vitamin B6 165 mg, Folic Acid 144 mg, Choline 8700 mg, P-Amino Benzoic Acid 800 mg.

    Manna Pro® Sho-Glo® Vitamin and Mineral Supplement, $56/5 lb (one of you recommended this right?)
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 12.00 %, Crude Fat (min.) 2.50 %, Crude Fiber (max.) 15.00 %, Calcium (min.) 7.50 %, Calcium (max.) 8.50 %, Phosphorus (min.) 4.00 %, Salt None Added Magnesium (min.) 0.50%, Potassium (min.) 1.00%, Cobalt (min.) 88 ppm, Copper (min.) 880 ppm, Iodine (min.) 160 ppm, Manganese (min.) 2,900 ppm, Selenium (min.) 17.6 ppm, Zinc (min.) 3,160 ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 600,000 IU/lb, Vitamin D (min.) 70,000 IU/lb, Vitamin E (min.) 1,600 IU/lb, Riboflavin (min.) 375 mg/lb, d-Pantothenic Acid (min.) 250 mg/lb, Thiamine (min.) 250 mg/lb, Niacin (min.) 2,000 mg/lb, Vitamin B (min.) 100 mg/lb, Folic Acid (min.) 30 mg/lb, Choline (min.) 3,600 mg/lb, Ascorbic Acid (min.) 50 mg/lb.

    Omegatin 20 lb/$30
    15% protein, 20% fat, pelleted, nutrient dense horse feed with an exceptionally low level of starch (13.5%).

    Grow Colt, 3 lbs/$19.99
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Protein (min.) 5.00%, Crude Fat (min.) 4.50%, Crude Fiber (max.) 4.00%, Calcium (min.) 7.05%, Calcium (max.) 8.05%, Phosphorus (min.) 5.28%, Salt (min.) 1.65%, Salt (max.) 2.15%, Magnesium (min.) 0.40%, Potassium (min.) 1.25%, Manganese 1100 ppm, Iron 1800 ppm, Copper (min.) 22 ppm, Zinc (min.) 11 ppm, Iodine 160 ppm, Cobalt 11 ppm, Selenium (min.) 0.4 ppm, Vitamin A (min.) 480,000 I.U., Vitamin D3 100,000 I.U., Vitamin E 320 I.U., Vitamin B12 3.2 mg, Menadione 50 mg, Riboflavin 400 mg, d-Pantothenic Acid 360 mg, Thiamine 108 mg, Niacin 2400 mg, Vitamin B6 50 mg, Folic Acid 10 mg, Choline 3600 mg, Biotin .001 mg, P-Amino Benzoic Acid 90 mg, Ascorbic Acid 10 mg

    Start-To-Finish Cool Calories
    Guaranteed Analysis:
    Crude Fat (min.) 99.0%, Total Fatty Acid (min.) 95.0%, Free Fatty Acids (max.) 1.0%, Unsaponifiable Matter (max.) 1.5%, Insoluble Impurities (max.) .0.5%, Moisture (max.) 1.0%

    Also, I have her on Probios, ($10) 5g a day. Should I keep her on that?

    Any ideas of which feeds/suppliments would be best? She's also have unlimited Jiggs Costal Hay and 2-3 flakes of Alfalfa daily at her disposal, and grazing ofcourse. Its just tough because I have a very limited budget, but I don't want to be cutting her short in any way. I want this little gal to feel as good as she can!
    So long as you supply her with a balancer your youngster will do best on good quality Meadow hay - there is no need to feed any hard feed - I know everyone wants to fatten her up fast but they honestly do better on quality hay and when available grazing.

    Can I ask why you need to trailer her to the farrier - do farriers not come out to people? This little horse really doesn't need the mental stress of being hauled elsewhere to have her feet trimmed - get a farrier to her.

    I'm glad you have a paddock mate for her and no doubt as you go into spring you will be able to turn her out 24/7.

    I raise all my youngsters outside as they need to move around - this strengthens their bones. It also allows them to play and be babies. Being a TB she does need to be covered with a snuggly lightweight cover that will not chafe her angular areas.

    It's good to see that she is steadily improving as poor soul she has had a rough time.
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        03-05-2013, 10:18 AM
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Yes, most farrier do farm visits out here, but unfortunately 99% of them are less than stellar and I'd be better off trying to do it myself O_o I'vepersonally gone through three farriers already and I've only owned my mare since September, and our farm has gone through countless farriers over the years. Most farriers that ARE familiar with TB hooves are ones that shod and shoe for the racing industry here, so they shod with long toes, flared feet, and thin soles as the standard- which is the opposite of what Kenzie needs.

    This particular farrier is VERY well known for helping turn around problem horses but ofcourse, her price reflects that. She does travel but because she also has a business to run (she is an endurance riding champion and runs a dude ranch/lesson farm/endurance farm) she charges a very hefty sum to travel. It doesn't help that we happen to be over an hour away from where she lives. It would cost me $175+ for her first trim I think, because of travel costs- but if I haul Kenzie to her it will only cost me $50. She has agreed to give me a small discount becaus of Kenzie's situation, but only if I travel to her.

    I agree that it probably will be a bit stressful for Kenzie, but at this point
    I just don't really have many options. Her feet need to be worked on and she's hurting, and I need to change that. We're planning to haul both her and Ginger (who happens to only be pasture sound due to a clubbed/concave foot. BO thought Mrs. Butler might be able to help her out too, which works for me since that gives us access to a trailer!) up to there tomorrow (Wednesday) and see what she can do. Hopefully we can make the trip as low stress as possible. Kenzie's been with us only 10 weeks but eventually she'll have to face the trailer...might as well do it now. I've been working with her on it a little and she'll load with only a little protest now, but only into the stock trailer and not the two horse slant. That means more gas because the stock trailer is big, but comfort comes first in this case! We have rubbber matting too which should be better on her feet.

    And yes, I do plan on turning her out 24-7 eventually :) as of right now its just easier to have her in at night when its cold to be away from the gusty wind, and makes morning/evening feeding easier because she and Ginger are seperated at that time. She only wears a blanket on nights that are under 40 degrees, and it has a fleece lining to keep her from getting sore spots. So far its working great. I didnt want to over-blanket her though because I didn't want to 'damage' her system anymore and get her too acclimated to always being blanketed, as I've heard that doing so can actually cause negative affects.
        03-05-2013, 02:37 PM
    Reminds of of that poem if you love something let it go, if it comes back its your and if it doesn't it isn't meant to be. I just hope that the person who does get her at least gives you the chance to see her and maybe in time own her. I had a beautiful dunolino gelding I sent to the trainers to be broke when I got him back I rode him and loved him, but when the trainer came out to visit him this horse did all he could do to go to him I knew in my heart that horse loved him and I told the trainer you need to load him up he has chosen you, he laughed and said no he's yours, lightning followed his truck nickering to him all the way out of our driveway and until he was out of sight hollared, well, the next day the guy called me and said are you serious about lightning I said he's your horse to this day lightning and him are together, lightning will do anything for him and he's a barrel horse, trail horse and if he is asked to something he will try to do it by his owner sometimes you have to look at the whole picture to see the beauty and that's what I did I gave the horse I loved what he wanted, and to this day I am proud of this horse and love him even more for making me understand what love really is
        03-05-2013, 07:02 PM
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Very true. The idea of being able to own her after I've finished college and gotten 'back on my feet' so to speak is heartening, but I won't put my hopes on it. I would very much like to hear how she's doing though if possible, even if the owner only wants to send me a picture every year or so, or drop me a line or two about their progress. What matters to me though, is that she is happy and heathly. Anything else is only optional.

    I have to admit though, I HAVE been contemplating trying to lease Sour out rather than sell her, because I just really don't want to part with her. That, and honestly I'm not sure WHERE she would end up, knowing her. She's a very difficult animal to work with even though she's only 230 pounds, and you MUST have her full respect 100% of the time or she'll revert to her 'old' ways of biting, kicking, and charging around like an idiot. She also seems to need to work. That's all good and well with full sized horses, but its harder to find someone who wants a miniature horse that has to be exercised at least a few times a week, and has been known to take advantage of people xD most people want minis as 'do nothing' pasture pets that they can goof around with if they want, or just leave in the pasture for months at a time. Do that with Sour and she turns into a maniac in less than a month. I should know! People also seem to want miniatures to 'love on' and if theres anything she hates, its being hugged, kissed, or groomed. She has murder in her eyes any time I do more than a quick brush down with the dandy brush. She's a working partner, and won't deal with lovey dovey stuff. That suits me just fine, but I doubt very many people have the same tolerance as I do xD If I did lease her out though, 6-7 years (at least) is a LONG time to lease a horse. Even then though, she'd only be 13 or 14 by the time I get out of college, which would leave a whole half (or more) of her life left for us to enjoy.
        03-06-2013, 11:03 AM
    Green Broke
    Ummm, Endiku, do you live close to Katy? If you do, I will pay my former farrier (I moved to Kentucky) to come do that baby's feet. No need to expose that baby to everything at Cypress Trails.

        03-06-2013, 01:04 PM
    Teen Forum Moderator
    We actually live in Katy. Who is your old farrier and does he have experience with bad feet/barefoot trimming? Send me his number and I'm more than willing to call him and talk to him, but it'll have to be soon. We're trucking them over at 4!
        03-06-2013, 05:14 PM
    Green Broke
    Rocky is his name. His # is 979-451-0988, but if you are about ready to go, you probably won't be able to catch him that fast! Sorry I did not realize you would be close....Hope the baby turns out OK!

        03-06-2013, 05:24 PM
    Teen Forum Moderator
    I didn't plan to be able to have him trim her today, just speak with him :) We're on our way to the other farrier right now, but I would definitely be interested in contacting him for further work to be done on her, as he would be much closer. Thanks for the number. I'll try to call him in the next day or two.
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        03-06-2013, 06:33 PM
    Green Broke
    OK, great! Rocky always did a good job on my horses, was reliable and patient with the babies. I used him for about 8 years.
    He does not consider barefoot a "way" , but he balances a hoof well.

        03-06-2013, 06:53 PM
    Teen Forum Moderator
    Thats all I need. For him to know his way around a hoof and not have 'put a shoe on it' as an answer to every crisis.

    Can you believe that my last farrier hit my four year old mare with his metal rasp, sharp side up, in the stifle because she jerked her hoof out of his hand? And they wonder why she has problems with anyone but me handling her feet!

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