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post #21 of 53 Old 03-27-2013, 09:36 PM Thread Starter
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Doesn't that usually come from tick bites? There haven't been any ticks around since October.
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Yes that does come from tick bites. the deer tick is the one that carrys it.
If your not in a area that has deer ticks then probley not the problem.
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post #23 of 53 Old 03-28-2013, 07:26 AM
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and if hes not showing lameness/soreness. i doubt its lyme. good luck figuring it out, hopefully the feed changes help.

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Feed too hot for amount of work he is getting I imagine, but also something pain related could be it.

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Feed too hot for amount of work he is getting I imagine, but also something pain related could be it.
He was out of work most of the winter and then in late january we started working again. First once a week and now we are working a couple of hours 3 times a week. My trainer and I are mainly working on his topline and getting him to stretch down correctly for dressage. We do not use any gadgets, no martingales, no yucky bits (he's in a happy mouth double joint snaffle) no draw reins, just his own effort on my now correct "ask."

At first I chalked it up to just being sore from just getting back into work, and using muscles in his back he hasn't used before. But it just gradually gets worse. I don't know, I'm getting so frustrated. I wish the vet could make time for him NOW. LOL.

I'm on my way to Farmer Co Op to get him strategy healthy edge and then I'm going to search out a good magnesium supplement. The vet agreed to try these two things and to cut his smart pak down to just the SmartGut Ultra, which he still wants him taking. We will see how he is in a few days.

The vet says if he gets better after bout 48 hours it was most likely diet and Cin should still be fine for the show on April 6. If not, we may have to scratch...which my husband will LOVE as we have about 200 bucks in show fees we will lose. But it's what is best for Cinny, we can't have him in a show situation if h isn't "right."
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post #26 of 53 Old 03-28-2013, 09:42 AM
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Honestly, you are giving him WAY to much crud. 90% of supplements do nothing but create expensive horse poop. Cut him back to the bare basics. Which is what it sounds like you are doing? Treat the ulcers and possible magnesium deficiency and leave it at that.

My biggest pet peeve is people who over supplement thinking they are helping their horse but really they're just creating more problems in the end.

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Glad to hear your vet is helping you out and it's not as bad as it first could have been if the youngster landing on him while rolling :)

Best of luck! Only time will tell! Cinny is a very lucky boy to have you as his mommy and keeping a good eye on him!
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I need to add a disclaimer to my last post. I am in no way trying to attack you Cinny. I know you are wanting to do what you think is best for him, which is great. However you are not helping him at all by feeding all this extra supplements and messing around with his feed all the time.

I honestly think you should have blood drawn before starting him on a magnesium supplement to make sure its a deficiency. Because once you start it on him and have the blood drawn it wont tell you if that is actually what is wrong. And if you are feeding it to him and thats not the issue then its just something extra you are pumping into him when its not needed.

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I need to add a disclaimer to my last post. I am in no way trying to attack you Cinny. I know you are wanting to do what you think is best for him, which is great. However you are not helping him at all by feeding all this extra supplements and messing around with his feed all the time.

I honestly think you should have blood drawn before starting him on a magnesium supplement to make sure its a deficiency. Because once you start it on him and have the blood drawn it wont tell you if that is actually what is wrong. And if you are feeding it to him and thats not the issue then its just something extra you are pumping into him when its not needed.
I completely understand you. I think what is going on in the end result of "too many cooks in the kitchen." Vet telling me to put him on this, trainer telling me to put him on that, Another trainer telling me to add another thing.

Also I had cut down on a few things already and maybe I shouldn't have. It was suggested to me to give Cin Ground Pumpkin Seed, Flax meal and oat flour to also help with the ulcers and he has been getting them since early February. But I stopped giving them to him a week or so again, just before he started REALLY acting out. This morning I looked online for foods High in Magnesium, and what are at the top of the list....pumpkin seeds and flax!!! So I have basically taken out two very high magnesium items that were in his diet, and he got worse....This is going down in my notes for the vet visit!
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If it turns out not to be diet or pain and bloodwork turns up nothing, don't forget to have his eyes checked. A change in vision to a nervous horse could easily cause an explosion.

I have a lesson gelding that went through something similar a couple years ago and became so spooky and hard to handle that we couldn't safely ride him or use him around the kids at all. We tried a variety of things, had the vet test for several things, check eyes, back, etc. We never did find a solution that panned out. This went on for about 6 months and then it was like it never happened, he did a complete 180 and became the same calm quiet boy he'd always been. I started him over in his training at that point just to be on the safe side, but never had another problem with him. It was one of the most baffling things I've ever been through with one of my horses. I still wish I knew the answer, in case it ever recurs.

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