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    03-28-2013, 10:19 AM
  #31
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Honestly, the only thing needed for ulcers is "gut coat". We have two horses that have ulcers. We give them a 1/4 cup gut coat twice a day and there have been no issues at all with them. Other then that just feed a very basic feed.

Cinny is in a moderate workout level at the very most. He just needs a basic feed. My mare is spooky and "hot" as well as a hard keeper. I have her on a half pound of trotter and half pound of fat and fiber twice a day with her sinuex at night. She is on a round bale through the day and gets a large flake of hay when she comes in at night. She stays a healthy weight and still has a brain. She is 20 years old and events.

A common thought is "oh my horse is ridden 5 days a week so that's a heavy work load so I need to give him this this this and this and a touch of that and a bit of this to reduce the effects of this" and that is what creates a horse that is hot, high strung, spooky and ulcers and many other issues.

Hope you can figure out what is going on with him. But yes, I bet if you cut his feed back to the basic needs things would go a lot easier.
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    03-28-2013, 10:22 AM
  #32
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cinnys Whinny    
I completely understand you. I think what is going on in the end result of "too many cooks in the kitchen." Vet telling me to put him on this, trainer telling me to put him on that, Another trainer telling me to add another thing.

Also I had cut down on a few things already and maybe I shouldn't have. It was suggested to me to give Cin Ground Pumpkin Seed, Flax meal and oat flour to also help with the ulcers and he has been getting them since early February. But I stopped giving them to him a week or so again, just before he started REALLY acting out. This morning I looked online for foods High in Magnesium, and what are at the top of the list....pumpkin seeds and flax!!! So I have basically taken out two very high magnesium items that were in his diet, and he got worse....This is going down in my notes for the vet visit!

The flax is a super food, so to speak. Especially in winter, it will add what's present in grass, yet not in hay. It adds fat as energy source, gives a nice shine, is anti inflammatory, helps get rid of sand.
Magnesium. Remission or Quiessence are the easiest to find. Apart from calming the nerves, it helps also sore muscles.
Most important for ulcer treatment and prevention, as I stated already, is hay 24/7. Don't assume he has that. Make sure. Best in a slowfeeder, to make him eat as natural as possible. If you can, give a little alfalfa before his "grain" meals. Alfalfa buffers the stomach acids.
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    03-28-2013, 05:12 PM
  #33
Green Broke
I went to the barn and dumped out all of the Strategy/alfalfa/timothy that was left in his grain storage bin and replaced it with nice fresh Healthy Edge. He has done wonderfully with that in the past. I also went through his smartpaks and cut off the SmartGut and put that back in his ration and took all the other junk back home. Then I went to the local organic store and got him a nice big bag of flax, and a nice big bag of pumpkin seeds and measured them out into his daily "baggies" as before. I gave him a ration for lunch. I then took his water buckets and bleached and scrubbed them really well and rinsed with hot water jut in case there is some weird fungus or something going on in there that I can't see.

I put him on the cross ties and gave him a long, nice groom and talked to him softly for a while. I used my hands to try to find any lumps, bumps or sore spots. With the exception of what seems to be a bug bite on his back, I found nothing. He was a little tender on his right flank where his last ribs were, but not enough to kick or bit at me, just enough that he twitched there when I touched it. I left his turnout blanket off because it's such a wonderful day and he went to sleep sunbathing in his turnout, looking very relaxed. He always seems at his best when he is just hanging with his pals in the turnout.

I will go check on him tomorrow to see how he is after about a day with more magnesium and rest. I feel so helpless not knowing how to "fix" him and make him feel better and having to wait for the vet until TUESDAY :(
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    03-28-2013, 08:39 PM
  #34
Weanling
Subbing. I have no sudgestions other than what different people have already said, but good luck and I hope you find out what is wrong with him.
     
    03-29-2013, 10:06 AM
  #35
Green Broke
Cin seems to be doing GREAT this morning. My BO said when she checked him last night he was actually laying down to sleep, which is more Mr Cin's norm but he hasn't layed down to sleep in weeks. This morning he was reported to be very bright eyed and much less nervous, although still a little jittery but an improvement.

Keeping fingers crossed that magnesium was the culprit, than all of you for helping me try to figure this out. The vet says it can take almost a week or more for him to be back to normal but he thinks the show on april 6 should be fine. He is still coming to look at him Tuesday and do a blood draw though he thinks we have whatever it was pinpointed. Won't hurt to give him a good once over to make sure.
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    03-29-2013, 10:28 AM
  #36
Trained
Good to hear
It will take a few days to see the full effect.
You never mentioned his hay situation, so, again, make sure he's never without hay, check into slowfeeder nets, and consider alfalfa just before meals....you will not need any gut supplement no more either and have a super happy horse
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    03-29-2013, 10:38 AM
  #37
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by deserthorsewoman    
Good to hear
It will take a few days to see the full effect.
You never mentioned his hay situation, so, again, make sure he's never without hay, check into slowfeeder nets, and consider alfalfa just before meals....you will not need any gut supplement no more either and have a super happy horse
Unfortunately, that isn't' an option where I am boarding. The man who feeds int he morning REFUSES to use the slow feeder bags because it is too much ttroubl to put the hay in them (he's a gentle yet very elderly man). He is turned out all day with buddies after he finishes breakfast and no hay in there. I try to get down there every day and pull him out for some lunch and then put him back in the turnout.

My only other option is to keep him in his stall all day with no turnout ever the stable hand leaves at 10am and the afternoon person arrives at 5 and he would probably go even more nuts. I'm sort of stuck so to speak.
     
    03-29-2013, 10:48 AM
  #38
Trained
There you have the reason for ulcers. Stomach goes empty, yet it produces acids, lots of them, and the acids start eating away at the stomach lining. When do BO's learn.......:-/
Talk to the BO. If it's possible, give him some hay or soaked hay pellets for lunch. That might be a huge help. Weigh, if possible, his night ration. Ask if they would let you fill the net, if you provide it, get two or three, and fill them while Cinny is eating his lunch. So the gentleman has to just hang it in.
     
    03-29-2013, 10:51 AM
  #39
Trained
Forgot...duh......
If he gets sufficient hay now, he will be eating less with a slowfeeder net. Might be a good argument for the BO
     
    03-29-2013, 10:53 AM
  #40
Trained
You could always get 2 hay nets and fill them yourself and leave them for him.
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