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post #1 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 12:12 AM Thread Starter
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spits out bute

My horse is 17 yrs and getting stiff. I have taken him to the vet who said he seems okay, maybe a little stiff in the hind end. X-rays were fine as far as we went. I can feel a change in him but I think he still likes to go out on the trail but grunts going down any hills. A trainer said I should give him a bit of bute an hour ahead and going down hill they put more weight on the hind quarters so he could be in discomfort. I plan to do easier trails with him now and see how he does. My problem is getting any bute into him. I squirt the paste way into his mouth but he manages to spit it out. He will not eat grain, even sweet grain, with the powdered bute mixed in, even with added molasses. Any ideas?
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post #2 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 12:17 AM
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can you make a thicker paste - like worming paste - so its harder for him to spit it out? Use something like flour to thicken it. And when you squirt it in, smear it over his tongue. Or once you've squirted it in, hold his head up with a hand under his chin to stop him spitting it out so he has to swallow.

good luck!

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post #3 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 10:33 AM
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You never know what they are going to like...get creative. Apple sauce, peanut butter, baby food, etc.
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post #4 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 01:03 PM
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I have to agree with Sara, in that different horses will require different methods.

You might try using a big syringe and filling it so that the first stuff into his mouth is pure applesause, followed by a mixture of Bute/applesause, and finaly a bit-more pure applesause(all in the same syringe).
That particular method works perty-good on my rescue mare. But not allways....... Bute-paste is some perty-nasty stuff and sometimes, she'll spit it out anyway.

I've had better results on some horses by using the tablets. But with those, I beat the tablet into a powder, mix it into a quarter-cup of corn oil and stir it into their feed.

You may end-up giving 1/2 dose at a time.... like the night before and first-thing the next morning. That way, the "nasty" is easier to cover up.

Or like Sara said..... keep trying, untill something works.

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post #5 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 05:04 PM
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Since its something you are going to have to do fairly regular, you might invest in a worming bit. They aren't too much, less the $20 I think. I use one for a hard to worm mare. I got tired of wasting the paste. They work great but do take a little more time since you have to leave it in the mouth for 5-10 min. before removing it.

Heres one http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=16163
they may be cheaper elsewhere but Fosters and Smith is a good safe internet company.


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post #6 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 05:19 PM
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Search out a thread about worming an unwilling horse -- same idea different medication.

However, bute is not a long term solution. I had a gelding here who came to be stiff in the hind. No one could find anything. 6 mos later I finally found out he had arthritis. I put him on glucosame and chondroitin and saw major improvement within 2 weeks.

Just a thought.
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post #7 of 12 Old 09-04-2008, 05:26 PM
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Don't mean to double post but northernmama is on to something.
I have an elder arthritic dog that gets cetyl M every day. It has worked wonders on her. I think they may make it for horses too?
Yep they do: http://www.cetylm.com/content/horses.asp


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post #8 of 12 Old 09-05-2008, 02:05 PM Thread Starter
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thank you for all the great ideas. I do have a Cosequin ASU powder for my horse. The vet said it was the best joint supplement. Way expensive. I had the same problem putting that scoop of powder in his grain and his refusal to eat it. Felt like such a battle and a waste that I gave up. I will let you know if any of the ideas work maybe I can try them with the joint supplement also. I had heard that peanuts, there for peanut butter, was dangerous to horses? But some of you have used that?
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post #9 of 12 Old 09-05-2008, 02:12 PM
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When my finicky horse wouldnt take his meds, I would make a mash, in the blender, of apples, carrots and a tad bit of water, add the meds, insert into worming tube and he was fine. Easier if your horse likes grain, just put it on it.
Funny thing, my horse hated apples until he got it mixed with carrots.

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post #10 of 12 Old 09-09-2008, 02:51 PM
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I read recently in the Horse Journal that you could give an average horse Alieve or generic Naproxen Sodium (NOT Advil) 10 tablets twice a day. I just drop it in my picky mares feed and they didn't realize they got it. I found this benificial because when trail riding/camping if a horse needs pain relief we usually have Alieve on hand. You probably wouldn't want to use it but for a few days but I would use it as a preventive like you are needing.
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